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Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

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RachelMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 22-Aug-18 21:47:11

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

Househelp123 Tue 28-Aug-18 16:49:17

OK I will start. Does the NSPCC think that teenage girls should be able to have single sex spaces for changing rooms? Or do the NSPCC think that girls should be 'educated' that 'girl' can also mean 'child with a penis who identifies as a girl' and a 'child with a penis who identifies as a girl' is fine to share intimate spaces with young females?

AsAProfessionalFekko Tue 28-Aug-18 16:51:59

Keep them off Facebook...

LadybirdsAreBirds Tue 28-Aug-18 17:34:24

According to advice given to schools by GIRES and Mermaids, teachers must affirm a (Primary or Secondary Age) child's belief that they were 'born in the wrong body'. What is your view on this advice, and can you see any safeguarding concerns around this?

Furthermore, advice given by these organisations is not to disclose the child's gender-questioning to their parents. What is the NSPCC's view on this?

IAmLurkacus Tue 28-Aug-18 21:21:58

Is the NSPCC as concerned as I am at the massive upsurge in teenage girls using binders? Do the NSPCC class this as self harm? If not why not?

Excellent questions from previous posters which I’m very interested in the answers to.

ArcheryAnnie Tue 28-Aug-18 23:05:16

I was a NSPCC supporter (politically and financially) for years and years. I have never been able to get them to answer these three questions:

You say on the "transgender identity" page of Childline that trans people should be able to "use the toilet that they feel comfortable in". Where should the girls who have been abused go to the loo, if they are not comfortable sharing toilets with adult males, or indeed boys their own age?

You say that trans people should "be described by the words that they prefer (such as "she" or "he")". Abused children (and indeed abused adults) often take a long time before they are able to speak the truth about their abuse, having been manipulated by their abusers. Do you think that abused children should be forced to describe their male abusers as women?

Why do you persist in featuring a spokesperson on your Childline "transgender identity" page who filmed themselves describing lesbian and gay people as "deviant"?

Mamaryllis Wed 29-Aug-18 03:14:43

Another mum of teenage girls who is concerned that schools and youth organizations are putting our daughters at risk by forcing them to share sleeping facilities and changing rooms with teenage boys who selfID as girls. In the case of girl guides, the policy is that parents will not be informed if adult males who identify as transwomen will be present at all, let alone overnight, nor if teenage boys identifying as trans girls will be present. The males identifying as females will be given choice as to where they sleep/ undress, but females will not.
How can a previously sex segregated organization allowable under EA2010 change their policies, rendering it impossible to allow girls and young women to assert boundaries? Is this not teaching girls and young women that they do not have the right to assert boundaries around privacy?
Can you also comment on the DBS process and how this is carried out to ensure that males who change their names and apply for leadership positions as ‘women’ are unable to hide previous convictions in their ‘deadname’. Can you comment on how safeguarding could be impacted by gender and name change? Are transwomen mandated to supply all previous male names or is this voluntary? How is compliance ensured?

LadybirdsAreBirds Wed 29-Aug-18 07:04:30

Are you aware that on your trans identity page that you definition of trans is counter to that of Stonewall's? Stonewall include cross-dressing under its 'trans umbrella'.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Wed 29-Aug-18 07:17:00

Can we discuss if NSPCC back the use of our Sturdy Pyjamas to prevent rape of girl guides, now that their policy lets 'transgirls' [aka boys] in [including into the same sleeping spaces], and keeps it a secret from all parents.

How do we get these girl guides into their Sturdy Pyjamas, whilst simultaneously not telling them why they have to be worn [because it is a secret].

Or should they be part of the standard uniform?

InflagranteDelicto Wed 29-Aug-18 08:29:31

I think all my questions have already been asked, as a parent of girls and as a GG leader. Interested in the answers NPSCC give, especially the ratio of fluff and bullshit to actual fact.

Sotiredallthetime Wed 29-Aug-18 08:54:41

I would like to know the difference between a boy and a boy who indentify as a girl ?

No child can have a GRC, so all children are biological and legally their birth sex.

There must BE a difference as a standard boy is subject to many safe guarding rules, where as a boy saying he feels like a girl is subject to none !

How does declaring an unverified internal feeling mean safeguarding rules can be ignored ?

InflagranteDelicto Wed 29-Aug-18 09:01:55

My son is a scout, and also has asd. The scouts have a near identical trans policy. If my son had to share a tent with a transboy he would be extremely uncomfortable, but due to his asd would be unable to articulate his discomfort. What would the nspcc advise be done in this (currently) hypothetical situation to safeguard both children?

CertainHalfDesertedStreets Wed 29-Aug-18 09:14:05

I'd like to add my voice to this. Parents on MN are increasingly worried about how safeguarding is being ridden roughshod over in the race to pander to an extreme trans ideology. How is the NSPCC offering any leadership here?

NotAnotherJaffaCake Wed 29-Aug-18 09:38:35

Can you run a campaign on how we can innoculate our children against grooming behaviour?

And then can you explain how a lot of the advice I would expect to be given about how to guard against grooming behaviours directly contradicts the advice about transing children?

carceralfeminist Wed 29-Aug-18 09:40:46

Do children even understand the difference between biological sex and gender identity?
How does the blurring of these two concepts affect a child's view on self, reality, and what is actually medically possible?
How will children be allowed to speak up about their concerns if they do not understand the language of "trans," and if they do - are scared of being called "hateful"?
Does this not enforce some undue psychological burdens on a child?
Who has created your trans advice (and do they have any connection to David Challenor)?
What safeguarding analyses/impact assessments have you done?

NotAnotherJaffaCake Wed 29-Aug-18 09:41:51

Also, the advice of the NSPCC is taken extremely seriously. You have an important role to at in child protection.

Given that's the case, how on earth was such shoddy advice regarding trans children allowed to become "official"? Where is the evidence for this policy, which just reinforces harmful gender stereotypes, and works against best safeguarding practice? And how will you convince us it won't happen again? Such incompetence and poor thinking cheapens the name of the NSPCC.

tiredandweary Wed 29-Aug-18 09:42:11

GIRES in their training materials for adults working with gender non conforming young people specifically advise adults in school NOT to share a child's disclosures - in clear breach of 'Working Together' and every school's safeguarding and pastoral care policies. Does the NSPC agree that 'transgender' children should be placed outside the protection of safeguarding rules in this way? What might be the consequences of this?

Moanslice Wed 29-Aug-18 09:49:09

The 'A' in PANTS is for 'ALWAYS remember your body belongs to you'. This appears to be a reference to drawing bodily boundaries and informed consent. How do the NSPCC think that this is compatible with the Girl Guides Trans policy which states that girls and parents will not be informed if a male member decides that he wants to share overnight accomodation and facilities?

tiredandweary Wed 29-Aug-18 09:52:55

Second question (hope this is allowed?)
Cornwall have issued guidelines for their schools that state the following:
*A parent or guardian may not always be the most supportive
or appropriate person to assist the young person through
transitioning. It may not be necessary for a parent or guardian
to provide permission for a Trans pupil or student to take
steps to transition as there may be issues raised of Fraser
competence if parents will not consent*

Does the NSPCC support the removal of parental rights / responsibilities without recourse to the courts as this document suggests?
Does the NSPCC recommend that schools enable children to 'transition' without informing their parents?
What might be the consequences for children / teenagers if schools and organisations encourage them to leave their families in order to transition?

Sorry that's three questions but oh so important.

Datun Wed 29-Aug-18 09:57:07

Could you advise how little girls who are told that men are women can Speak Out about this and Stay Safe?

I told my daughters, in an absolute emergency, to approach a woman rather than a man, because a woman is 98 times less likely to be a predator but now they are told there is no difference. And if they point out the difference, they are bigoted. And, like their mother, could be told to die in a fire. Can you suggest how they can Speak Out and Stay Safe under those circumstances?

Can you suggest the wording and approach to use so girls can Speak Out and Stay Safe if they object to sharing toilets with boys who identify as girls? Rather than be vilified and persecuted for being transphobic?

What is your opinion of drag queens teaching kindergarten children about transphobic hate speech? Which is what their 'singing along with the children' is designed, by their own admission, to do?

Drag queens who, when they are not teaching children that men are women, have names like Poppin' Cherry. Do you know what that means?

Can you explain the Girls Guides policy that forbids boys sharing showers and overnight accommodation with girls. But reverse that policy, if the boy asks them to based on his feelings.

Without telling the parents of the girls. Can you please explain how a 10 year old girl who is told to share their shower with a 14-year-old boy can Speak Out and Stay Safe when their own parents have relentlessly spoken out and been ignored.

Can you explain to that little girl why her mum didn't know that she was being forced to share a shower with a teenage boy?

Can you explain why the language surrounding genitalia is becoming blurred. Why male genitalia is being called female and that children are being taught that biological sex and genitalia are irrelevant.

Can you really not understand that we are raising a generation of girls who do not know how to assert their boundaries, because they are being told their boundaries are not theirs assert. That the language they should be able to use is being removed.

And if they do Speak Out, the one thing they are then, is Not Safe.

Datun Wed 29-Aug-18 10:03:26

Oh crikey, I've just realised it was one question. Okay HQ. I'll take one from my litany.

I'd like to talk about the girl guides, but other people have done that, so it's a waste of a question. So here is my question:

Can you explain why the language surrounding genitalia is becoming blurred. Why male genitalia is being called female and that children are being taught that biological sex and genitalia are irrelevant.

Can you really not understand that we are raising a generation of girls who do not know how to assert their boundaries, because they are being told their boundaries are not theirs assert. That the language they should be able to use is being removed.

And if they do Speak Out, the one thing they are then, is Not Safe.

frazzled1 Wed 29-Aug-18 10:38:26

Does the NSPCC believe girls have the right to access sex segregated health facilities, toilets and sports teams, excluding all male born young people?

MaryAnn888 Wed 29-Aug-18 11:32:53

They raised very important question!

stillathing Wed 29-Aug-18 14:17:44

What is the NSPCC's view on the increase in the number of girls presenting as trans in schools? Should teachers and therapists be affirming that they were in fact born in the wrong body or should they be interested in what might have prompted this change? In every single case I know of personally, there has been a background problem leading to the girl wanting to be trans, ranging from acrimonious divorce to trauma and child abuse. How should teachers and therapists be supported so that trauma is not overlooked in trans presenting children due to adults' fears of being labelled transphobic or bigoted?

SturdyEarmuffs Wed 29-Aug-18 20:06:30

Placemarking as there's loads of great questions already asked. 👍

LemonJello Wed 29-Aug-18 20:27:23

From the NSPCC underwear rule:

Your body belongs to you. No-one should ever make you do things that make you feel embarrassed or uncomfortable.
No means no and you always have the right to say “no’. You’re in control of your body and the most important thing is how YOU feel. If you want to say ‘NO’, it’s your choice.

Guidelines produced for schools in Scotland (approved by Scotgov and endorsed by children’s orgs) recommend that male bodied children be allowed to share sleeping accommodation, toilets and changing rooms with girls.

If any girl or her parents feel uncomfortable, embarrassed or distressed by this, and “say NO” (as NSPCC encourage, above), the first response recommended by the guidelines is to remind them of “inclusion, equality and respect”.

Do he NSPCC consider that this response, particularly the implication that saying NO is antithetical to respect, aligns with the principles of the underwear rule?

Cismyfatarse Wed 29-Aug-18 22:04:00

Should I have been required, in line with guidance from the Scottish Government and my Council, advised by LGBTQ Youth Scotland and Stonewall, to allow a trans pupil to be accommodated with their acquired gender. This is on a week long residential trip. This included sharing bathrooms, toilets and other facilities with pupils of the opposite sex.

These were 15/16/17 year olds. The pupil had made no changes to themselves beyond a change of name and pronoun.

Parents and other pupils were not allowed to be consulted.

Theswaggyotter Wed 29-Aug-18 22:07:50

Should a young girl who is a lesbian have to accept a ‘transbian’ complete with male genitalia is a partner? If she doesn’t she will be accused of transphobia. Do you think this is contributing to the escalating numbers of young women self harming and deciding they are trans themselves (in order to escape male sexual advances)

IAmLurkacus Wed 29-Aug-18 22:23:14

Why is this thread no longer showing in active @MNHQ how is anyone not already on the thread going to find it to post a question?

Gentlygently Wed 29-Aug-18 22:28:10

I can’t do the Facebook live - is anyone planning to ask a question live? I wonder if any of these will be addressed?

MrsFogi Wed 29-Aug-18 23:06:40

Has the NSPCC noticed how concerned parents are about the issue of self-identification in relation to safeguarding children? If so, does the NSPCC consider that its guidelines are mainly focused on protecting children or on being "politically correct"? If the latter, how does this square with the NSPCC's stated aims?

theOtherPamAyres Wed 29-Aug-18 23:38:23

My question is about the sexual harassment of children and teenage girls by adult men in public spaces.

Recently, some posters on mumsnet have sought advice about how to protect their daughters from unwanted and uninvited approaches from men when the daughters have been walking to and from school . A mother describes how her child has been followed by kerb crawlers, has received lewd comments from strangers, and how men invade her personal space when she is out with her friends. She is 12.

I think all of us have experience of being demeaned and frightened by indecent behaviour, including indecent exposure, but it is a tall order for children to manage and cope with.

Is there any organisation or charity that is doing something around the prevention of pestering and intimidating children in overtly sexual tones? How do we, as parents, protect children from sexual harassment by adults?

HavingALittleBabyToolshed Thu 30-Aug-18 00:49:56

Do you think sex segregation in school toilets, changing rooms, clubs (like Girl Guides), safe spaces and similar venues should be replaced with gender segregation despite it going against all safe guarding principles?

SPOFS Thu 30-Aug-18 00:51:57

Do you think that school bathrooms should be segregated by sex or gender? Why?

Happityhap Thu 30-Aug-18 01:05:22

Can you explain why the language surrounding genitalia is becoming blurred. Why male genitalia is being called female and that children are being taught that biological sex and genitalia are irrelevant.

Can you really not understand that we are raising a generation of girls who do not know how to assert their boundaries, because they are being told their boundaries are not theirs assert. That the language they should be able to use is being removed.

I also want to ask this question as it's at the root of the matter of safeguarding children, particularly girls.

Gentlygently Thu 30-Aug-18 08:15:39

Just to say a big thank you to MN for doing this. These are such important questions and I really look forward to seeing the answers.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 09:28:59

Yes I’d also like to say a big thank you to MN for doing this.

I’d also like to say that if there are any unforeseen circumstances that mean this doesn’t go ahead today, NSPCC might like to consider how else they could address these legitimate and pressing concerns from parents regarding the safeguarding of their children.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 09:33:00

Yes thanks for doing this.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 09:35:08

Oh aye, it has been pulled from active.

Moanslice Thu 30-Aug-18 09:44:49

I doubt it has been 'pulled' it just NOT active?

tiredandweary Thu 30-Aug-18 10:24:53

I have such respect for the NSPCC. I've worked with them over the years in a number of instances and their helpline is one that I have repeatedly referred parents and individuals to - always with great effect.

I do hope that the safety of children always remains their number one priority - even if it means facing down the scary and threatening adult organisations.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 10:53:35

I do hope that the safety of children always remains their number one priority - even if it means facing down the scary and threatening adult organisations.

Well said.

And if the NSPCC finds facing down these organisations scary, perhaps they could spare a thought for just how scary it might be for a girl to say “NO”, when all expectations are that she comply with sharing with male bodied children, and if she doesn’t she can expect to be branded a bigoted transphobe.

Datun Thu 30-Aug-18 11:23:22

This isn't an extra question, just underpinning my question about the removal of language resulting in the inability to maintain boundaries.

Are you happy that we are teaching our young girls that this man is a woman?

Language is vital. Clarity of thought can only be achieved with clarity of language.

There have been numerous women on here who comment along the lines of thank you for saying that, I had that feeling/thought, but couldn't find the words to describe it.

We are removing that ability for our children, in the most specific way possible in terms of safeguarding.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 11:36:15

I doubt it has been 'pulled' it just NOT active?

When one posts on a thread, immediately presses 'active' and the thread doesn't appear in active, even though it was literally just posted on, it means it has been pulled from appearing in 'active threads'.

Happityhap Thu 30-Aug-18 12:00:39


SPOFS Thu 30-Aug-18 12:12:39

This thread not being in active may be a good thing though. These web chats are normally full of banal "what's your favourite biscuit"-type questions. Since the thread has attracted many GC feminists, there's a high chance that the NSPCC will have to answer at least one of the GC questions.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 12:27:18

What is NSPCC's favourite biscuit?

NameChangedAgain18 Thu 30-Aug-18 12:28:12

Can someone who is in FB post up some of questions that are on here, so that they don’t get ignored in favour of less “political” questions that might be asked on FB?

Tunataka Thu 30-Aug-18 12:37:15

How does it work?

Happityhap Thu 30-Aug-18 12:38:36

Am I being dense?
Can't see anything about this on FB. It should be on now, right?

Datun Thu 30-Aug-18 12:39:23

Same here. Have they pulled out?

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 12:40:26

Yes it should be on right now. There should also be a link to it posted here? (according to the OP)

HavingALittleBabyToolshed Thu 30-Aug-18 12:42:25

Hi @MNHQ has the chat been delayed?

GirlScout72 Thu 30-Aug-18 12:43:20


I would like to ask what the NSPCC will be doing to ensure schools are following DfE guidance (reissued in June this year) regarding sex segregation in schools. This includes toilets, changing and sports

Many schools have unlawfully introduced unisex or "gender neutral" spaces contrary to the law. We are already seeing (this is happening in my own family) girls not drinking all day to avoid needing to pee, bunking off when they have their period or PE to avoid boys (including boys who say they are girls) harassing them, sexually assaulting them, filming under and over toilet doors, hustling them into cubicles and assaulting them (there is a rape a day in UK schools) and flashing them with their penises, mocking girls' bodies etc etc etc in unisex spaces as well as taking their places on sports teams.

"Gender neutral" in schools is unlawful. What will the NSPCC be doing about that?

My follow up question is when will the NSPCC (a quasi public body with statutory powers, unique among charities and in receipt of vast amounts of public money) be making public it's Equality Impact Assessments that you had an obligation to carry out before endorsing "gender identity" which is a) contrary to EA2010 and b) vastly discriminates against natal girls? Gender Identity in effect dissolves all our current safeguarding systems and process for children, particularly girls, and as the UK's leading child safeguarding organisation I'd very interested to see what careful assessments you did before you decided we could throw safeguarding in the bin. Obviously a prominent organisation like the NSPCC did not just merely take the word of trans lobby groups before making this historically unprecedented decision?

MrsToddsShortcut Thu 30-Aug-18 12:46:05

Have looked everywhere for this MNHQ any idea where we can find this (or why we can't?)

In any case, here is my question:

Do you think it is possible for an organisation like Girl Guiding UK to adequately safeguard girls when they believe that boys who identify as girls are girls? Do you think that adequate safeguarding can take place if they are not allowed to acknowledge that biological boys and girls, many of whom will be adolescent, will be allowed to share sleeping accommodation? How does this differ from their policy of not allowing boys who don't identify as girls to share sleeping accommodation? Serious question: Truly, in safeguarding terms, what's the difference?

Thank you

tiredandweary Thu 30-Aug-18 12:47:17

Can't see it on the Mumsnet facebook page?
Any update MNHQ ?

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 12:50:47

This was supposed to start 20 minutes ago now, any chance of an update @MNHQ? Thank you.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets Thu 30-Aug-18 12:51:28

d also like to say that if there are any unforeseen circumstances that mean this doesn’t go ahead today, NSPCC might like to consider how else they could address these legitimate and pressing concerns from parents regarding the safeguarding of their children.

Wow. Psychic LemonJello?

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 12:52:40

NSPCC have a cake that needs icing, obvs.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 12:56:35

Perhaps Certain, but I’m sure NSPCC will reschedule if there’s been an issue today,

Happityhap Thu 30-Aug-18 12:56:47

Yoo-hoo @MNHQ

Thanks for keeping us informed (not)

Ellabella1234 Thu 30-Aug-18 13:05:11

So much for 'speak out, stay safe'

BeyondAnOmnishambles Thu 30-Aug-18 13:06:23


Moanslice Thu 30-Aug-18 13:06:23

Esther Rantzen has spoken publicly AGAINST unisex/gender neutral toilets in schools. Esther is a NSPCC trustee. How have NSPCC then decided in favour of ignoring sex segregation of accomodation and facilities?

stillathing Thu 30-Aug-18 13:07:27

hi there @mnhq

really hope this is going ahead? also really hope you will be choosing some of the questions from here and not only from people who engage on your facebook page? since your data leak, you know better than most that anybody who has a pro-woman gender critical stance risks doxxing if they reveal their identity.

additionally, as well as (some of us) being mothers, many of us are (gasp) also professionals working in fields directly impacted by the changes in safeguarding mentioned in the questions on this thread. again, you know very well that women have lost their jobs over publicly expressing concerns such as these.

R0wantrees Thu 30-Aug-18 13:08:01

Not sure if I'm too late...

I'm sure the NSPCC is aware of the safeguarding expertise and experience of Claude Knights who has recently stood down after 15 years leading Kidscape.

Claude Knights issued strongly worded warnings recently in repsonse to a convicted paedophile who had changed both gender identity and name whilst in prison being released with a new identity.

Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

My question is
Does the NSPCC agree with Claude Knight's warnings and what will they be doing to represent the serious potential risks to children when gender self-id is exploited to evade Safeguarding frameworks etc?


CertainHalfDesertedStreets Thu 30-Aug-18 13:09:35

I wonder if they just can't locate the chief viper-handler?

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 13:10:18

Well, this really is awkward.

Ereshkigal Thu 30-Aug-18 13:11:03

Perhaps their broadband is down.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 13:14:02

Coming up on 45 minutes late with no explanation.

WomanLifeIsGoodish Thu 30-Aug-18 13:17:47

Is this actually going ahead? I’d arranged my day to be able to be present at 12.30.

Bit rude to not even post an update MNHQ.

HermioneWeasley Thu 30-Aug-18 13:18:20

Does the NSPCC recognise that trans women and girls retain male patterns and levels of behaviour, including crime and sexuality violent crime? If not, what evidence do you have that they do not? If you accept they do, what safeguarding issues arise from policies like girl guides?

EmpressOfSpartacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:19:35

Perhaps their broadband is down.

Yes, that's probably it. After all, they wouldn't be avoiding these important questions without good reason.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 13:21:52

I refuse to believe that NSPCC are not prepared enough to answer questions like the ones posed.

They have had numerous letters detailing safeguarding concerns, so they are aware of the issues and have had plenty of time to come up with satisfactory responses that alleviate concerns.

So I’m sure it can’t be that.

Tunataka Thu 30-Aug-18 13:22:50

I know that Zoe Parrott has personally spoken with the Girl Guiding Association regarding safeguarding concerns and their trans policy. I would be interested to hear specifically what they said which reassured the NSPCC that gender self identity mitigates risks of boys to girls? Generic 'existing risk assessments' statements do not explain how differences in anatomy and physiology are not relevant for a sub set of boys?

GirlScout72 Thu 30-Aug-18 13:24:36

NSPCC paid for the services of Gendered Intelligence, perhaps they are on the phone with Jay as we speak mugging up on the answers?

AgnesBadenPowell Thu 30-Aug-18 13:25:04

Still no sign then?

IAmLurkacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:26:29

Who’s on twitter can someone tweet them and ask what’s going on? Perhaps some journos also? Who’s been reporting on the Challenor case? They may be interested?

AgnesBadenPowell Thu 30-Aug-18 13:30:10

I tweeted. Let's see what they say.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 13:31:18

No system not down as they were tweeting 45 mins ago.

15 mins into the 'webchat'

IAmLurkacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:31:54

Broadbands not down the FB is managing to post about morning hacks and after school snacks!

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 13:32:26

One hour with absolutely no communication. This is not good enough @MNHQ

SpartacusAutisticus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:34:11

I guess these are the wrong sort of questions about safeguarding.

Very disappointing MNHQ and NSPCC.

EmpressOfSpartacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:37:05

I guess these are the wrong sort of questions about safeguarding.
Very disappointing MNHQ and NSPCC.

It does make you wonder what questions we were supposed to be asking.

tiredandweary Thu 30-Aug-18 13:38:51

It comes to something when the leading charity for the safety of children is unable or unwilling to answer respectful and well evidenced questions about why transgender organisations are being allowed to undermine the safeguarding of children.

IAmLurkacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:39:16

This is this the most farcical thing I’ve seen since Savile fronting a ‘stranger danger’ campaign.

Do we as a society want to protect our children or not?

Alienspaceship Thu 30-Aug-18 13:40:50

As a parent I am very much looking forward to detailed answers from the NSPCC for all these pertinent and timely questions.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas Thu 30-Aug-18 13:41:29

Do we as a society want to protect our children or not?

Shhhh - don't ask that question!

The fact that they can't answer is actually worse than bullshitting answers because they literally HAVE NO ANSWER!

Which means they know exactly what the problems are.

R0wantrees Thu 30-Aug-18 13:41:41

Important and wide ranging thread discussing the failings / failures of Safeguarding frameworks, raising serious concerns anout current and future child protection and the safeguarding of vulnerable adults.

The thread is a valuable resource which should be taken very seriously.

current thread:

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 13:43:51

The fact that they can't answer is actually worse than bullshitting answers because they literally HAVE NO ANSWER!


AgnesBadenPowell Thu 30-Aug-18 13:45:49

@mnhq what on earth is going on? You invited us to participate in the discussion but you don't appear to like our questions.

The loss of single sex spaces has far reaching implications for the safety and well being of boys and girls. We can't just pretend it doesn't matter.

EmpressOfSpartacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:48:01

On the subject of the loss of single sex spaces, this is a link to the Fair Play for Women guide on filling out the government consultation on the amendments to the Gender Recognition Act. There are only a few weeks left so please, if you're concerned about the questions raised on this thread, click on the link & have your say.

Doyenne Thu 30-Aug-18 13:48:18

Another woman & mother wanting NSPCC to answer the excellent questions earlier in this thread around children's ability to assert boundaries to keep themselves safe when they are not allowed to assert boundaries when it comes to transgender individuals

LadybirdsAreBirds Thu 30-Aug-18 13:48:19

Stupid question but have people checked Facebook? I'm not on FB and have not idea how it works - but this is a FB webchat

EmpressOfSpartacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:50:36

Nothing visible about the webchat on MN's Facebook page.

R0wantrees Thu 30-Aug-18 13:51:07

The last FB post was about 'School morning hacks' 18 mins ago.

nononsene Thu 30-Aug-18 13:52:09

I've checked facebook and can't find the chat.

IAmLurkacus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:52:22

Has someone archived this thread?

AgnesBadenPowell Thu 30-Aug-18 13:54:41

Silence on twitter too. I can't say I'm surprised. You know, if they didn't want to answer questions on this they could have said so. I get that the NSPCC want to promote their new programme, not get caught up in questions they can't answer. If they think the concerns raised her are invalid, they could have addressed it via statement, giving their reasons.

SpartacusAutisticus Thu 30-Aug-18 13:54:52

I have now Lurkacus

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