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15 year old girl has been found guilty of murder

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Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 12:56:02

In my town this happened

Liz Edwards and her daughter Katie was found murdered by a boy and girl aged 14 at the time

The boy admitted murder. The girl didn't. She admitted to manslaughter instead, despite all the evidence it was her idea.

Today she's been found guilty. Good. She's just as bad as he is. I hope the justice system gives them a good jail sentence

please remember that as they are underage it is illegal to name them. If you do know who they are (as I know it's quite common knowledge at least around here) you cannot identify them at all!

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 13:02:14

link if you don't know what happened

Smartleatherbag Tue 18-Oct-16 13:04:00

Oh my goodness, what on earth was the motive?

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 13:05:44

can't really say that without giving away identity...

noeuf Tue 18-Oct-16 13:23:53

Bloody hell.
Absolutely terrifying.

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 13:26:19

Very terrifying

I've been reading all the articles and they have been printing all the grizzly details. It was awful to read

How does the anonyminity law work?

Why did the James Bulger murderers got named where others don't?

cosmicglittergirl Tue 18-Oct-16 13:38:02

That is chilling.

Sparklesilverglitter Tue 18-Oct-16 13:41:08

I think I read this on the radio, Bloody awful!

I hope they spend a very long time in prison but I do also wonder how fucked up two children have to be to commit murder

noeuf Tue 18-Oct-16 13:44:00

It's a bit like the two girls in Australia who killed one of their mothers. The guy says it wouldn't have happened if they hadn't met.

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 13:46:51

It's scary what youths will do when supported by each other

ImperialBlether Tue 18-Oct-16 13:54:27

Soubriquet, I've sent you a PM.

Millionreasons Tue 18-Oct-16 13:55:52

Yes I have been wondering what on earth the motive was.

ArmfulOfRoses Tue 18-Oct-16 13:56:43

I live very close to you op, it's just awful.
So many lives ruined.

Arfarfanarf Tue 18-Oct-16 14:02:08

Absolutely horrific. What on earth would make children do that

Re anonymity - It's surely not enforceable in this day and age.
It took me ten seconds to find out who they were and her relationship to the victims.
The law needs to catch up to the reality of the internet instead of saying let's all pretend this info can't be found.

bibbitybobbityyhat Tue 18-Oct-16 14:03:22

I had a thread about this case last week. I had some questions about the legalities - how can the identity of the accused be prevented from leaking on to social media in this day and age?, when will the media ban on naming them be lifted if ever? etc.

I can only assume someone with only half a braincell actually did name them on my thread ... as it was deleted! I didn't see all of it, I was working at the time.

Fucking twits! If you are reading this - whoever got my thread deleted - try engaging your brain first before posting angry.

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 14:09:32

It's a lot harder than it used to be and I don't get how it works

Why do 10 year olds get named but others don't?

Gingernaut Tue 18-Oct-16 14:14:11

The judge in the case has to specifically lift reporting restrictions.

It's done on a case by case basis and there has to be "in the public interest".

bibbitybobbityyhat Tue 18-Oct-16 14:15:25

With Thomson and Venables, maybe they were named after they were found guilty? I can't remember although it was within my adult lifetime.

Or perhaps the law has changed since then?

I think there is a discussion to be had about these questions.

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 14:19:14

It's certainly something to think about

With social media so rife it's almost impossible to keep things quiet

Within the day, we all knew who they were and why. Wouldn't have known that if it wasn't for social media

BertrandRussell Tue 18-Oct-16 14:19:56

"I've been reading all the articles and they have been printing all the grizzly details. It was awful to read"

There's an easy solution to that.........

Soubriquet Tue 18-Oct-16 14:21:43

It's easy solution yes but it's right on my door step. How can I ignore something like that?

Gingernaut Tue 18-Oct-16 14:22:52

Without trying to get this thread pulled, Thompson and Venables attacked a stranger.

Reporting restrictions tend to be lifted if the defendants/convicted are a danger to others.

Reporting restrictions aren't lifted in cases of incest, for example, where identifying the attacker identifies the victim.

The attack was specifically targetted, suggesting the defendants/convicted are not a threat to the wider community at large.

hmcAsWas Tue 18-Oct-16 14:23:23

What Bertrand said

rainbowstardrops Tue 18-Oct-16 14:24:09

Absolutely heartbreaking sad

TheWoodlander Tue 18-Oct-16 14:24:43

I googled this, because I read the case and couldn't imagine the motive, whether it was a random killing, or what.

It's a horrifying case - and I'm glad she's guilty of murder, because it's clear she was the instigator - but for her it wouldn't have happened.

AFAIK, I think as a blanket rule children and victims of sexual offences remain anonymous - and anyone whose identity would give away the identity of those who are granted anonymity. But it is for the judge to decide in each case.

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