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15 year old girl has been found guilty of murder

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Soubriquet · 18/10/2016 12:56

In my town this happened

Liz Edwards and her daughter Katie was found murdered by a boy and girl aged 14 at the time

The boy admitted murder. The girl didn't. She admitted to manslaughter instead, despite all the evidence it was her idea.

Today she's been found guilty. Good. She's just as bad as he is. I hope the justice system gives them a good jail sentence

please remember that as they are underage it is illegal to name them. If you do know who they are (as I know it's quite common knowledge at least around here) you cannot identify them at all!

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Balletgirlmum · 20/10/2016 20:23

What do you mean where was the husband Becker?

The press reported Ms Edwards had a partner but didn't say if they lived together & her ex husband & Katie's father was also in court.

It can't be reported how they got into the house.

FiniteIncantatum · 20/10/2016 18:06

Ah thank you.

Thisjustinno · 20/10/2016 17:47

No. The defendants in the JB case were subject to an adult trial (the European Court of human rights later said they had not received a fair trial due to being tried in public in adult court). People in youth court will be entitled to be anonymous but homicides are tried in Crown Court with automatic restriction on reporting names but the Judge can choose to lift these.

They were known as child A and B before and during the trial and could have remained anonymous but it was at the Judges discretion to lift reporting restrictions and they chose to do so 'in the public interest'.

I know several Juvenile serious offenders including murder who have never been named and the cases didn't even make it into the press.

FiniteIncantatum · 20/10/2016 17:23

Did anonymity for under age murderers not start after the JB case?

BeckerLleytonNever · 20/10/2016 16:21

With Thomson and Venables, maybe they were named after they were found guilty? I can't remember although it was within my adult lifetime.

^^ that's what I thought too. so why aren't these 2 who are older named and shamed?

they knew what they did, why should they be protected form the public knowing? not that it will do anything, just genuinely wondering.

and how did these teens get into the victims house in the first place, nd where was the husband?

Ketchuponpizza · 19/10/2016 22:59

Am totally useless at google, normally have to ask hubby, but I found the names/photos easily. Didn't search for the motive.

That poor family. I just can't imagine. I can't sleep now.

tobee · 19/10/2016 20:55

It used to be (not sure if still is) you would be guilty but insane if you could prove that you either 1)did not know what you were doing or 2) didn't know what you were doing was wrong.

ImperialBlether · 19/10/2016 10:37

Very few people have a full life sentence any more.

Cagliostro · 19/10/2016 02:24

That's horrific :(

Amandahugandkisses · 19/10/2016 00:50

Who knows what the motive was. I imagine they were in their own bubble. Press reports say the relationship was febrile. It could have been any small thing.
That poor little girl.
RIP

GlitteryFluff · 19/10/2016 00:04

This is just awful.

I do hope that they get named when they've been sentenced. They don't deserve anonymity.

I've googled and found their names, and the link between them and the victims but I can't find anything on the motive behind it? Is that info out there if I look again or no?

DiegeticMuch · 19/10/2016 00:04

Anonymity doesn't work in the age of social media. As others have said, their identities are very easily found on Google and Facebook (the same was true in the Ched Evans case, and in the Ryan Giggs injunction fiasco ). They'll both need new IDs when they leave prison.

PinkSquash · 18/10/2016 23:59

I read on Facebook who the alleged perpetrators are, I assume it must be very well known in the local area, especially once the offenders were arrested.

Lightsoffplease · 18/10/2016 23:57

I've just realised what the link might be

I feel sick

Balletgirlmum · 18/10/2016 23:52

That's because it would be contempt of court to state what the link was.

Maybeitsthered · 18/10/2016 23:50

If the kids who killed poor Bulger were let out I don't see these two getting full life sentences

Amandahugandkisses · 18/10/2016 23:49

I have found nothing online to indicate what the link between them was. It says it was a grudge against a dinner lady.

This is such a terrible case.

Lightsoffplease · 18/10/2016 23:48

They'll never be allowed out again, surely?

AbbeyRoadCrossing · 18/10/2016 23:40

I think (although was a long time ago and can't remember too well) the restrictions on naming were lifted on the Bulger case at sentencing.
The sentencing hasn't been done on this case yet so I expect the judge will say about reporting restrictions then.

Balletgirlmum · 18/10/2016 23:30

I think there is a lot more to it than that Rebecca rather than just a random grudge against an old dinner lady.

BumWad · 18/10/2016 23:25

Oh goodness after a bit of googling I see why the perpetrators have not been named.

That poor family.

RIP.

2rebecca · 18/10/2016 23:23

The little in the public domain about the motive make it sound fairly random though. OK at least the girl knew her but the girl had been talking about wanting to kill "someone" for a few years from what I read. Choosing your dinner lady from years ago seems odd. The BBC just describes it as a "grudge" against her former dinner lady and doesn't mention them even knowing the daughter just deciding to kill her as well.
It's not exactly someone stabbing their abusive spouse.

Maybeitsthered · 18/10/2016 23:16

There's no anonymity anymore. Ten seconds to find their facebook pages. Even comments on each other's profile pics.

The law clearly isn't relevant in this day and age.

Balletgirlmum · 18/10/2016 23:16

I don't know why it's different in this case than the Jamie Bulger case. Perhaps the wishes of the families were taken into account. Perhaps the press have not requested that identities be released. Who knows?

lasketchup · 18/10/2016 23:15

2rebecca

This was posted up thread about anonymity by Gingernaut which I think explains it perfectly

^Without trying to get this thread pulled, Thompson and Venables attacked a stranger.

Reporting restrictions tend to be lifted if the defendants/convicted are a danger to others.

Reporting restrictions aren't lifted in cases of incest, for example, where identifying the attacker identifies the victim.

The attack was specifically targetted, suggesting the defendants/convicted are not a threat to the wider community at large.^

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