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Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

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MrsjREwing Fri 09-Nov-12 19:05:59

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 20:09:33

I saw Ann Clewd and also thought she was very good. You could feel her anger and frustration about to explode.

I cant see her giving up without a fight.

AnyaKnowIt Fri 09-Nov-12 20:10:11

Mrcrumpswife - I was just thinking the same sad

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:14:24


Have you read the mistaken identity article?

He may well have given the 'right' name but named the wrong man.

It's not an oops, wrong name situation.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 20:16:38

have you got a link Pag?

hiddenhome Fri 09-Nov-12 20:19:21

There was an old article linked on MN about three weeks ago which named McAlpine, before all this naming business came about. It was one of those conspiracy theory websites which are now being noticed as their content seems to be spookily accurate.

member Fri 09-Nov-12 20:21:34

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:21:40


The relevant bit read along the lines 'another member of the MacAlpine family who lives locally may have been mistaken for Lord MacAlpine'

The idea that it is a complicated Tory conspiracy is rattled slightly by the fact that the police see to have stitched up a 'prominent member of the Tory Party' and let off a local man with the same family name - and who had died at the time Steve Messham gave evidence that his abuser was dead

member Fri 09-Nov-12 20:22:07

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:22:56

If it named lord MacAlpine then it wasn't accurate.

hiddenhome Fri 09-Nov-12 20:24:41

Okay smile

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:25:19


Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 20:29:46

I saw that article earlier but surely if it was another McAlpine, especially one who is no longer alive then it would have been far simpler to just lump it on yet another deceased abuser.

This doesnt answer anything really it just creates a whole set of even more confusing questions.

Maybe the police kept SM in the background for years as a patsy in case they ever needed to discredit the whole story of abuse. JS has thrown it all up in the air.

Now i sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theorist..

I hope Steve has a good family and friends supporting him right nowsad

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:33:11

Yes. I'm sorry but that does sound like ridiculous conspiracy theory IMO.

I think they fucked up the investigation. I think they were sloppy and uninterested.
I think the 'Tory conspiracy' theories are massively undermining any chance of a full and reasonable enquiry.

hiddenhome Fri 09-Nov-12 20:35:26

I hope not. I hope someone manages to unravel all this mess.

claig Fri 09-Nov-12 20:35:39

There was a guest on Newsnight the other night saying that the lat enquiry was a good one and that there is no need for another one.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 20:35:46

grin i will accept you agreeing with my madness!

I dont think we will ever get any honest answers and that makes me sad and angry.

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:40:03

Steve Mesham may well be at the start of a process which confirms and acknowledges his abuse by a man who died several years ago.

I am astounded that so many people are acting as if the fact that his abuser wasn't a prominent Tory, means that it is irreverent and investigation might stop as the 'story' is over.

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:40:28

grin at mrcrump

claig Fri 09-Nov-12 20:42:16

Has a photo of this man who died several years ago been shown to Steve Messham? Will this be investiagted further?

Pagwatch Fri 09-Nov-12 20:47:47

If all else fails, I expect it might get investigated when Lord MacAlpine sues the fuck out of lots of people

tiredemma Fri 09-Nov-12 20:49:27

I feel so desperately sad for Steven Measham. You only have to look at his eyes to see that he's haunted by his childhood experiences. I hope he is ok. Any investigation MUST continue. Something smells fishy to me. As if some kind of 'distraction' is going on.

MadameDefarge Fri 09-Nov-12 20:51:24

i would very much like to hear what william hague has to say. his silence is deafening.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 21:00:34

I dont think Lord McAlpine will sue anyone other than Newsnight, who will then make an out of court settlement of an undisclosed amount.

Its a sick game that they are winning. We are no longer asking who handed over the keys to savile for Broadmoor, who let him have access to children in carehomes and what hospitals allowed him access to very sick children.

First round to the Establishment.

VivaLeBeaver Fri 09-Nov-12 21:01:49

But if Newsnight didn't name him then can he sue? Can't NN just say they weren't talking about him???

Mrcrumpswife Fri 09-Nov-12 21:04:46

I hope they can Viva but i'm not sure if it will be that easy.

Tom Watson started the ball rolling by asking the question in PMQs and then stating he wasnt referring to Morrison.

We still dont know who he was referring to and its all been forgotten in this part of the alleged cover up.

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