Can anyone please explain the lack of political corporation re. Brexit

[Iamdanish]

Hi, not British. Can you please explain. From the outside it appears that when Britain voted leave, you (I) would expect all politicians to stand together in a united front against the EU in order to get the best deal possible.
What am I missing? From here it appears that making the deal wasn't the most tricky part but that domestically everybody is trying to destroy each other? I would expect my politicians to work together, and that the people would rebell against those who only saw it as a chance to excel in domestic politics.
Please set me right 😊 sorry for language, hope this makes sense.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

They are a bunch of fuckwits? In the UK politicians don't act on behalf of the country, or their constituents, but on behalf of their own personal beliefs. Maintaining their personal prestige is more important than running the country competently.

[MIdgebabe]

BEcause there are mutually incompatible things going on, so whatever happens will be generally negative for a large number of people, probably the majority, and if you opposed it then it wasn’t your fault. Safest option Provided you are not in the driving seat.

[BroomstickOfLove]

Basically, the whole Brexit referendum was a piece of political power play between various factions of the Conservative party. Many of the key figures in the Brexit planning are still mostly concerned with the internal politics of the conservative party, and increasing their standing within the party/ government rather than with the long term future of the UK.

[Iamdanish]

I understand that ours are like that too. BUT I would expect an uproar from the public for being held prisoners by every little politicians prestige desires 🤔.

[Badbadbunny]

Because the other party leader is Corbyn. It would be impossible for him to work alongside anyone. He doesn't even know his own mind on Brexit, and is rigidly sitting on the fence ready to show his hand only when it's all done and then being able to say "told you so". Any decent Labour leader would have offered to work with May.

[1tisILeClerc]

A simple version would be that the then Prime minister (Cameron) used a referendum to 'fix' unrest in the Conservative party.
Some of the things that were promised were and are not easily achievable and among this the EU was 'demonised' and famously the £350 Million a week which could go to the health service became an attraction for some. Of course this amount sounds a lot to the average person but is very small in terms of a country's expenditure.
Add in a perceived problem with immigration (news reports of refugees from North Africa and Syria at the time) and it all got out of control.
Now when details for leaving need writing, they are finding it a lot more difficult than the simple slogans of the referendum suggested.
Both major political parties are split, almost evenly in wanting to either leave or remain so no one has a real plan or direction.
There are a few who have a lot of money who can see a massive financial gain to be made personally by the UK leaving.
Add in some Russian influence and you might see why it is such a mess.

[1tisILeClerc]

{BUT I would expect an uproar from the public for being held prisoners by every little politicians prestige desires}
Part of the problem is that what was being promised sounded good but there was not enough thought about whether it was actually possible.
Getting a 'better' deal from the EU when the UK already had massive discounts compared to other countries was never going to happen.
Likewise the promise of 'better' deals with other countries is also questionable and 2 years on no sign of any actual deals or plan.

[missesbiggens]

Everyone (parties, politicians, the public) has conflicting agendas and think that if they subvert the process, or stand back and watch it fail without helping put it right, that they will somehow get the outcome they wanted. If they work together then many will be working towards an outcome they do not believe in. Look at the threads in Brexit to see how some members of the public would rather sneer and sabotage the potential success of our own country just to get their own way. The left wing mentality in the UK is very odd, no spirit anymore.

[missesbiggens]

Oh yes, and I forgot the bloody Russians. I keep forgetting it's all their fault.

[1tisILeClerc]

The 'uproar from the public' hasn't happened because the real effects haven't hit yet.
Russian money has been involved in the 'promotion' of leave.
What no one has managed to say is HOW the UK can possibly get better deals than are already in existence.
If missesbiggens would care to explain this bit I might be persuaded that leaving for her reasons might be good, but for now there is nothing.

[Jason118]

*@missesbiggens *
Look at the threads in Brexit to see how some members of the public would rather sneer and sabotage the potential success of our own country just to get their own way
But they already have got their own way, they voted leave didn't they?

[Iamdanish]

Still you are leaving, despite the huge difference of opinion in the public and among the politicians, wouldn't you do yourselves a favour by working together? And making you politicians do the same?
Even though the Russians have a lot of money to influence, I would expect most of the public to be able to acknowledge the predicament your country is in?

[1tisILeClerc]

{Even though the Russians have a lot of money to influence, I would expect most of the public to be able to acknowledge the predicament your country is in?}
When fed on a diet of lies, half lies and a bit of truth, combined with the excitement of being offered shiny new things it gets a bit more complicated. Cultural differences and the way politics is conducted in different countries also has an effect.

[MIdgebabe]

There is leaving and leaving though. Some people want a total out , break GFA , fall onto WTO rules, refuse any leaving payments, because it would suit them. Others believe that is a bad way to leave, akin to jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

[Iamdanish]

poster 1tisILeClerc
😁 not high opinion of the sanity of the average voters. But well it would be the same here re. The shiny new things 😄.

[recently]

From the outside it appears that when Britain voted leave, you (I) would expect all politicians to stand together in a united front against the EU in order to get the best deal possible.

But Theresa May didn't open up the negotiations to all parties, she didn't even listen to dissenting voices in her own party. Instead she went for a relatively Hard Brexit. This was a mistake because the Houses of Parliament, unlike the country, is predominantly remain. This means that she had to win over MPs who didn't believe in Brexit. She hasn't managed to do this because 1) her negotiaters have been very weak (remember D Davies not bothering to do his homework?) and 2) there is no Brexit deal that is both possible AND good for the country (even according to the government's own research) and, whatever you think of MPs, a lot of them are not prepared to vote for a deal that will be disastrous for the country and their constituents.

[1tisILeClerc]

{There is leaving and leaving though. Some people want a total out , break GFA , fall onto WTO rules, refuse any leaving payments, because it would suit them.}
Absolutely. If you look at the A50 terms and appreciate what it says, ALL agreements between the (UK) and EU cease instantly. That is all trade deals, all laws everything stopping.
That is the legal position.
Of course the UK needs to make a deal so the Withdrawal Agreement sets out a route to do this and part of it guarantees things will continue until the 'proper' agreement takes force.

[Iamdanish]

poster recently, but if they don't vote for the deal, then what?
As I see it, everybody is ready to criticize, but has nothing better to offer. Why didn't your politicians find some common ground before negotiations. Surely that would have been best for your country?
And that is what I don't understand you are not objecting to?

[recently]

Surely that would have been best for your country?
Yep!

And that is what I don't understand you are not objecting to?
I don't understand your question.

[Iamdanish]

Recently, my question is - why dont the general public object to having non-compromizing politicians. Seems to me to be their job to find common ground.

[MIdgebabe]

What evidence is there that the general public isn’t objecting?

[recently]

A lot of people are complaining about their politicians at the moment!

[Iamdanish]

Midgebabe, this is why I asked the question. I would expect huge demonstrations, strikes etc. General uproar! But here we don't hear anything about that in the media. Muttering under your breath will not kick your politicians into action. (At least not in my country).

[Xiaoxiong]

We are objecting but what influence do we have. I have written to my MP who is a rabid Eurosceptic and believes that all our national problems will be magically solved by a hard Brexit. (He never wrote back.) I even talked to him on the doorstep in the last election and he just said "you're wrong, project fear, there won't be any problems".

I have gone to marches, shared stuff on social media, voted against him in the last election but a sentient sea cucumber would win in this constituency as long as it was standing for the Tories.

Basically I don't want my politicians to work together to deliver Brexit. There is no deal that is better than what we already had as EU members where we were rule makers not rule takers (and we will have to be rule takers if we want to continue trading with the EU) so why would I want politicians to actively try and harm our country. It's a huge national act of self-harm.

[1tisILeClerc]

Iamdanish
It might help you to understand that in the UK most of the money and wealth is concentrated on London and the South East. Northern cities and the South west were built and were very wealthy during the industrial revolution a couple of hundred years ago but the reasons for their wealth cotton , coal, steel etc has disappeared. Of course other activities have grown up but nowhere like the former wealth. The UK has gone from a dominant manufacturer to Hi tech and financial services, with most of the financial in London. Elsewhere has been left behind and many years of government being unwilling to support areas outside London and SE has led to significant poverty and resentment. The Leave campaign managed to suggest that the EU were receiving loads of money that could have gone to help the poorer areas but in reality, the contribution to the EU is actually pretty small and 99.3% of the UK GDP COULD have been spent as the government wishes. The EU is being blamed for the 'wrong question'.
Getting people to look at the questions again properly, since they were fooled in the past is difficult.