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Not to want to buy a house with DM?

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JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 20:18

DM and I had an argument today (or rather she ranted and I said very little, which is usually how it goes). She wants us to sell up and chip in to buy a house with her. Her reasoning as follows:

  1. We could afford something much better together (true - probably a large house and garden with a decent sized annexe. She is currently in a 4 bed detached and we are in a small flat)
  2. She would be around to help with childcare as DH and I are both shift workers (sort of true - but she finds it very difficult to look after both DCs at once, doesn’t often as we don’t ask. Don’t think that would change.)
  3. It would be cheaper otherwise as only one set of council tax etc
  4. Fundamentally and most importantly - she is lonely. She hates living alone. My dad left her 10 years ago and she has never really got over it. She currently lives half an hour away. We see her at least once if not twice a week but she thinks it is not enough. She says she would never have left one of her parents living alone.

    My reasons for not:
  5. We did briefly move in with her just before and after we had DS1 while we were house-hunting and it was horrific. She was incredibly controlling and unsupportive and the whole situation hugely contributed to my developing PND. She acknowledges that didn’t go well but says it was my fault as I was in ‘a funny place mentally’, (so nothing to do with her constantly hassling me to stop breastfeeding and waking me up whenever I managed to nap while the baby did as I ‘should be up and about’ Hmm ) and says it would be different if we were in a main house/ annexe type situation with own kitchens etc. I don’t think it would be.
  6. DH doesn’t want to. Because of above. He has in fact said over his dead body will he ever live with her again. She does not accept he gets an equal say in this.
  7. She is incredibly wearing and negative. (Admittedly mostly because she is lonely), but I find spending time with her incredibly draining. She also undermines my parenting.
  8. Purely practicallly, I don’t want to settle in this area for ever. I’d like to be free to move around over the next few years and don’t want the added complication of either having to move all together or extricate ourselves financially.
  9. I don’t think any house we bought with her, regardless of the arrangements of who was living where, would ever feel like ours, because she would take over.

    I do feel really bad. I’m actually very pro extended family living together- I can see how of it works for all involved the benefits are huge. She is desperately unhappy and I know it would partially relieved if we did this (though I think not as wholly as she thinks it would be). But I can’t do it. It would put an incredible strain on my and DH’s relationship and would quite possibly destroy my mental health. I was very clear today that it wouldn’t happen, but she made me feel like the worst, most ungrateful daughter in the world. At one point she said she knew DH was the main stumbling block - and I said that honestly even if I was on my own with the DC I don’t think I would want to live together - and that went down like a lead balloon. She said I’m selfish and never consider her, and then started asking if there were courses she could go on to learn to be ‘hard’ and not to care about people. I don’t know what to do. I CANNOT do this but I don’t know how to make her accept that, and accept that I’m not evil for not wanting to. Or am I just being horrible? She says it’s jsut what people ‘do’ with elderly parents who’re alone (though she’s not elderly - she’s 61 ffs) but I don’t think it is? I don’t know anyone else in this position!!
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BathroomLights · 26/09/2018 20:20

61???????????

I thought you were going to say 75!



DO NOT DO IT.

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KM99 · 26/09/2018 20:23

Christ. Controlling, emotional blackmail, gaslighting. Stick to your guns, don't live together.

Better be happy living in a small space than miserable with extra bedrooms.

It sounds like she needs to find a life of her own. You can't be the answer.

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Pigglesworth · 26/09/2018 20:23

YANBU - even the way she is handling this (making nasty and guilt-tripping comments) shows she hasn't changed at all. She only cares about getting what she wants, at your expense.

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Losingthewill1 · 26/09/2018 20:25

Don’t do it
Pleaseeeeee
Don’t do it

It will be worse than ever

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pinkdelight · 26/09/2018 20:25

Course you're not being horrible. You're being very sensible. Stick to your guns.

And a minor point - you'd still have two sets of council tax with an annexe. If there's a kitchen it's a separate property. But that's the least of it. She's only 61 and needs other solutions to her loneliness issues, not to foist them on you.

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user1471462428 · 26/09/2018 20:25

If she’s lonely she could volunteer. Run a soup kitchen or pick litter! Do not not bow down to pressure. Why do you think she fixated on this idea?

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billybagpuss · 26/09/2018 20:26

I think she's too young. She sounded too young from the first paragraph.

We have just started to think about this, my kids are at uni, my parents are 74/5 and not in the best of health.

She needs a hobby and some friends.

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Racecardriver · 26/09/2018 20:27

Hell no would be my response. Not after the way she behaved last time.

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Seniorschoolmum · 26/09/2018 20:28

Quite apart from anything else, if she needs care in the future, the local authority could force you to sell your home to get their hands on her share of the funds.

My sister and mum managed a better arrangement, where they looked at a flat for mum about half a mile from dsis’s Home. Close enough to help with childcare & share the occasional meal, far enough for privacy if there are ground rules and you don’t give her a key.

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Aquamarine1029 · 26/09/2018 20:28

Don't even think of doing this. Quite seriously, you risk your marriage and sanity. Do not allow her to control you through emotional terrorism, because that's exactly what she's trying to do. The answer is NO and she doesn't have to like it.

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SteveMcGarrettsBudgieSmugglers · 26/09/2018 20:29

you are not responsible for her happiness,difficult as it is you just have to keep repeating yourself, use the classic that wont work for us

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Howtodeal · 26/09/2018 20:29

No. Just no. No way. I'm shuddering for you even thinking about it. She sounds incredibly manipulative the way she's going about this. Unless you come from a culture where this is almost a given, she's bordering on ridiculous....I'm 15 years younger than your mum (So presumably maybe 10ish tears older than you at least) and I do not know one single person who has older parent(s) living with them, annexe or not. My friend and her OH did go into a joint house purchase with her parents for a few years but it was because financially it suited them all, and as soon as it wasnt working they sold up and went back to separate houses, no hard feelings. If you do this you will NEVER be free of your mum by the sounds of it, and she could live another 30/40 years!!

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Piffle11 · 26/09/2018 20:29

So she's already trying to bully and guilt you into doing what she wants … doesn't bode well. And believe me, buying a big house with an annexe: there's NO WAY she's going to potter around her annexe and leave you and your family alone - she'll be in your bit constantly. I think you already realise that you cannot do this: your marriage will break up, your mental health will break down, and your DC will be very unhappy. Tell her absolutely not. You are not responsible for her being lonely and unhappy: she is. There are plenty of things for a woman of 61 to be doing, and if 10 years from your DF leaving she's still not bothering, well, she's not going to start when she moves in with you, is she? She sounds rather poisonous, and I wouldn't want her a permanent fixture in my house.

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trojanpony · 26/09/2018 20:30

YANBU.

Do not under any circumstances entertain the idea.

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theworldistoosmall · 26/09/2018 20:30

Oh gawd I remember having this conversation years ago with my mum. She would bring it up a lot. Everyone in the room would go very, very quiet even the kids lol. Then we would quickly change the subject.
Then I started saying no. Not a chance. No way.

She wouldn't let up. One day I snapped and I told her exactly why I would never live with her ever. She cried. She shouted She went quiet. She screamed abuse. She did the manipulation shit. But it felt wonderful to stick up for myself and tell her to basically go and fuck herself, which in the end I did as I walked out of the door.

It was weird afterwards. But empowering. I also got some really nice messages from people who had seen what she was like and she had gone to them for sympathy. Some had said things over the years to rein her in, but when I finally snapped not one of them agreed with her.

It also paved the way for contact to be reduced a lot. And our lives benefited a lot without having the toxic bitch in it.

So my advice would be to be very honest and tell her why it wouldn't work. But be prepared for the tears and manipulation. It's not you, it really is her. She's using these to try and guilt you into making a very bad mistake. You are not responsible for her loneliness. She could have gone out and made lots of friends by now.

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altiara · 26/09/2018 20:30

God no! EVERY one of your points is valid. And no she’s not elderly! She’s not even retirement age.
I’d start talking about living in other countries. Sorry, that’s all I’ve got!

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pallisers · 26/09/2018 20:30

I loved my mother dearly and I would have lived in a paper bag in the middle of road rather than share a house with her. If she is lonely she needs to figure out how to change that- not make you responsible for her happiness.

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MrsEfff · 26/09/2018 20:30

Oh lord, there are echoes of my own mother in this - I’ve been called ‘hard’ since I was a teenager, whenever I refuse to take responsibility for her feelings/life in general 🙄

You are being ENTIRELY reasonable OP, stay strong!

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Aprilshowersnowastorm · 26/09/2018 20:32

To do it would destroy your relationship with dh, and your mh, why even have you to ask?
Zammo op, zammo.

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Therunecaster · 26/09/2018 20:32

Don't do it. I did in very similar circumstances and have regretted it.

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TokyoSushi · 26/09/2018 20:32

Absolutely, 100% NO!!

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Busybusybust · 26/09/2018 20:32

I’m 67, live on my own (widow) but I wouldn’t dream of doing this to my children!

Do. Not. Give. In!

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Sparklesocks · 26/09/2018 20:32

Be strong OP. I know you don’t want your mum to be lonely but it will destroy your marriage and possibly your relationship with her too.

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JasnahKholin · 26/09/2018 20:33

Why do you think she fixated on this idea?

-She likes house-hunting.
-She’s bored with her current house.
-She knows we want to move soon as we’re bursting at the seams here.
-She’s been watching some tv programme about American families doing this.

Unfortunately the fixation does not seem to be going away. She’s mentioned it on and off for years but it’s really ramped up in the last few months. Every time I think I’ve killed it she starts again.

Pigglesworth - I nearly said to her at several points this afternoon that everything she said was literally confirming my view. But couldn’t actually get a word in to do that 🤷‍♀️.

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GreenTulips · 26/09/2018 20:35

Actions speak louder than words.

You don't have to do anything.

Send her some sheltered housing leaftlets

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