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To think Katie Hopkins has officially lost the plot and special needs children do have genuine medical disorders

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Arnie123 Tue 20-Aug-13 15:08:12

I know she is just a gobby professional troll but this time she has gone way too far. So special needs don't exist and it is just crap parenting? Unbelievable

twistyfeet Tue 27-Aug-13 12:12:56

well put Gobby. Sadly enough sad

Peachy Tue 27-Aug-13 12:02:38

Agree TTriggles

All would happen is that Thrush would walk away and forget, and the affected parents would walk away and feel awful.

Which is what happens with a LOT of these threads anyhow.

Gobby indeed. Especially if your child is undiagnosed- and 60% of Paediatric LD cases in this PCT remain undiagnosed. One of mine is undiagnosed, though e know where it is heading. He has a statement, which he will not suddenly need more the day he receives a label.

GobbySadcase Sun 25-Aug-13 11:17:49

Glakit yes you will get support, but you'll also get a bunch of cunts screaming at you just because you want your child to have the same opportunities as theirs.

You'll be called entitled just because you want a level playing field when they'd rather your child didn't exist.

You'll be berated should you need to give up work to meet their care needs as that's a lifestyle choice, not a necessity which is getting increasingly stressful and frightening under the coalition.

Trigglesx Sat 24-Aug-13 21:46:01

I for one do NOT want KH to be here on MN for a "chat". I don't want her given that much importance. I want people to ignore her and tune her out like she isn't even there.

Remember that Buffy episode years ago, where the girl disappeared because nobody noticed her? That. Really. I want KH to have that.

mignonette Sat 24-Aug-13 21:24:55

Keep referring to her as 'Thrush'. It'll mess up her google profile. Ans she has been made aware. She'll hate it.

Peachy Sat 24-Aug-13 20:42:52

I agree Twisty

I pity KH in fact, I'd hate to be like her.

But if she puts my children at risk of more hate with her under informed claptrap she needs to be put right, or at least those who follow her nonsense.

twistyfeet Sat 24-Aug-13 11:45:46

well said Starlight.
Given Hopkins previous form she is terrified of anyone not exactly like her. And resentful and full of hate.

Pagwatch Sat 24-Aug-13 11:07:13

They also ignore the possibility that it really just is that a whole group of independent people have separately reached the conclusion that you are talking rubbish.

StarlightMcKenzie Sat 24-Aug-13 11:05:17

Frightening stuff.....................

StarlightMcKenzie Sat 24-Aug-13 11:04:50

What if one sat next to me in the cinema and kept flicking his fingers?

What if one dribbled their food opposite me in a restaurant?

What if I had to collapse my buggy on a bus for a wheelchair during rush hour because they had the audacity to feel entitled to a job?

What if they were allowed an extra council house bedroom for their caring needs, that my taxes pay and that I would love but can't afford to extend my owned house?

What if the teacher had to hand over the class to a TA in order to ensure that the child with a disability got some extra time to catch up with the class after a stint in hospital?

What if these children got jobs and had to serve me in a shop and I'd have to interact with them, not to mention hold my tongue about how they have stolen a job that a more deserving, hardworking, non tax-payer draining person should have been given.

FanjoForTheMammaries Sat 24-Aug-13 11:02:28

Such claims of gangs and cliques display an astonishing lack of empathy and respect

StarlightMcKenzie Sat 24-Aug-13 10:59:25

You are frightened as a member of the dominant class.

'What if disabled children were treated as equals? Would that affect my taxes? Would it get in the way of my children's life chances? Would it add to competition for money and jobs? Might they get something for free that I worked hard to give my own children? What if they got into power and insisted that my business had to have a disabled loo?'

StarlightMcKenzie Sat 24-Aug-13 10:56:42

'" there a gang out to get anyone who dares to disagree with their view? Is it a clique? Stress release? Fun? Either way it just looks tantrums"'

I'm sure the women who demanded the vote were spoken about like that, or those who insisted on equal rights for black people. It only looks to you like crazy adult tantrums because of your extremely narrow mind and quite possibly fear of the unknown.

cory Sat 24-Aug-13 10:35:18

MistressDeeCee Fri 23-Aug-13 22:53:34
"Cant bear Katie Hopkins. But on this occasion for once I agree with just a little of what she's said. " for some children a lack of exercise, poor diet and absence of parental control is also an issue ". Yes, it is an issue and its normally met head on with an ADHD label. "

What's your evidence for this? Where is this "normally"?

In my world= the world where my dc go to school, badly behaved children do not get given ADHD labels: they get given detentions! Diagnoses of ADHD are given by qualified professionals to children whose behaviour and general profile is obviously very different from ordinarily naughty children.

Parents may try to excuse their child's bad behaviour with ADHD, but parents don't get to make a diagnosis. And as you yourself have noticed, teachers don't get to decide about the diagnosis either. Your nephew didn't get a diagnosis, did he?

Children who have suffered trauma and are acting out (like the poor boy I mentioned earlier) do indeed get put on the SEN register, but that is a simple matter of flagging up that they need extra support; it does not equate to a diagnosis of SN.

SEN means (among other things): a child of whom we cannot always have normal expectations (the assumption being that otherwise children do have to live up to certain expectations- or take the consequences)

In the case of your nephew, over the next years one of three things is likely to happen:

either he will settle down as he matures and realise that he has to adapt to the group

or (as he grows older) he will be punished for being naughty until he learns to behave

or professionals will discover that there is some underlying reason why he cannot be expected to behave like the other children= SEN and adjustments will be made.

What cannot be allowed to happen is for one child to carry on spoiling everybody else's experience. My nephew was in a class with three boys displaying very disruptive behaviour, the problem was never addressed, nobody learnt anything and the (totally unsupported) teacher eventually had a breakdown and went off sick. This was the worst possible solution: nobody knew whether the boys could be expected to behave normally and should have been forced to do so or if they couldn't and extra resources should have been set in to give the other children and the teacher a break. So nothing was done at all. Years of wasted classroom time for everybody involved. Bloody awful (and I'm glad to say it wasn't in this country).

My ds was unconcentrated and lazy. He needed disciplining, so as not to ruin the lesson for himself and for everybody else.

My friend's ds is on the autistic spectrum. He needed support so the lesson wouldn't be ruined for himself and everybody else.

Big difference. And for anybody who knew them, pretty obvious difference.

candycoatedwaterdrops Sat 24-Aug-13 10:21:26

"I am perfectly informed" and "school claim my nephew has ADHD" are two completely contrasting statements! grin

Peachy Sat 24-Aug-13 10:17:55

And yes PTSD needs much more support; I've seen kids I think have PTSD (frm non parenting stuff) and there seems to be nothing out there. There seems to be a diagnostic value system- Autism is proper disability (mostly, I remember being refused access to disability toilets with H on basis they are not for autism), ADHD not and MH and PTSD worth nothing. That's crap- a child with additional needs deserves support end of. Costs tend to be far outweighed by longer terms costs for NOT helping- health, unemployment, etc. Suicide rates soar for example, but hey KKH knows it to be just a label, who cares about a bit of additional suicide risk and the like if she gets to be on the telly.

The woman is a danger to society.

Peachy Sat 24-Aug-13 10:12:08

Can someone tell me how to get perfectly informed, please? Mistress?

Becuase every time I think I am up to daye some bastard releases new research and then bang! I am behind again.

School can't diagnose, they don't have medical degrees and make mistakes becuase they don't have a rounded picture.

Paeds and a few other specialists can diagnose, their job is to get a rounded picture.

Here is how H was diagnosed- he was a difficult to diagnose case as he presents in an atypical way. We now know he shares a genetic profile, didn't then.

For three eyars he was followed by Paeds, OT, HV, SLT (with weekly input), PT, SENCO. After three years all of us got together in a room with a specialist program called 3Di, and anything types into that ahd to be discussed with alll in the room and agreed. At the end a printout said autism, it also said very high chance ADHD but they went with the autism.

He has grown into the autism diagnosis; it now sticks out a bloody mile.

But yeah they do it on the uick, right?

JakeBullet Sat 24-Aug-13 09:03:11

I agree that for some children the behaviours which suggest ADHD might well also be indicative of issues in a child's life. I can't remember where I read it but a researcher who looked into domestic violence found a disproportionate number of children with ADHD type behaviours and wondered if they were simply showing signs of post traumatic stress disorder.

Not everything has to have a label, I don't agree with KH because in most cases an experienced paediatrician can tell the difference. I am not saying that some children are not incorrectly labeled but in those cases the standard medications will make no difference. In any case most of the treatment for ADHD is not medication based but changing parenting tactics to support the child. I spend half my life supporting my son with tasks he finds difficult. Medication just helps him in school with focus and concentration for his academic stuff. It isn't necessary at home so on school holidays and at weekends I tend not to give it.

In the case of children with PTSD we need to be improving the mental health services for children and recognising that some are utterly traumatised about what they have experienced in life.....that might prevent those children beng labeled with ADHD or anything else which seems to fit. I DO think we are moving towards this already and paediatricians are very aware of the impact that domestic violence for,example, can have on a child's life and behaviour

GlaikitFizzog Sat 24-Aug-13 08:16:33

I didn't realises schools were able to diagnose behavioural issues now. Is that part of the NHs cuts?

I haven't any experience of asd/ADHD or any of the other issues raised here, however, I am intelligent enough to know that children aren't diagnosed on the say so of a teacher. Yes they may raise the initial flag for the experts to then assess, but would you put glasses on your child without seeing an optician because the teacher said they needed them? I don't think so.

I am in awe of the parents on here who do have to face the reality of these issues. I hope I am never in the position they are, but if I ever am I know there will be a support network here to advise, hand hold and listen with a sympathetic ear.

Pagwatch Sat 24-Aug-13 07:52:47


You think knowing one child about whom questions have been raised makes you informed? And the diagnosis that you say is given out at lightening speed was actually not made at all in that case?

There is not a clique or a gang. It is not fun or stress release. It's just that some of us get irritated when , during the launch of the This Is My Child campaign ignorant arses spout shite and don't think it worth pending five minutes considering the feelings of those dealing everyday with an incredibly challenging situation.

I bet you haven't even looked at the campaign have you? It's the ones who need to read it and try and engage some simple understanding that won't. There are loads of them on here.

mombie Sat 24-Aug-13 00:52:50

Absolutely agree with you Sparklysilversequins. my ds is on his way towards a dx but I haven't badgered for it and I have questioned my parenting until the early hours of the morning. the problems he was facing at school stemmed from a lack of acknowledgement of his very real Aspergers. he was crippled by the expectations of others and suffered extreme anxiety as a result. he is much happier and calmer now that he has been accepted for who he is. we don't make a big deal out of it or make excuses for him. he knows right from wrong.

Btw, the diagnosis process has been ongoing for almost a year so it is anything but quick. I appreciate why it takes so long, and why there are so many safeguards in place. People should not assume that diagnosis are just handed out.

KH is a knob.

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 24-Aug-13 00:52:33

So your knowledge is limited to a yes be does not he dosnt arguement then?

Odd that you think that the situation your talking about equated to a fast dx, given that he has not been dx.

Because schools cannot dx ADHD or any other medical condition.

AmberLeaf Sat 24-Aug-13 00:48:03

I am perfectly informed thank you

No, no you are not. At all.

thornrose Sat 24-Aug-13 00:25:31

" there a gang out to get anyone who dares to disagree with their view? Is it a clique? Stress release? Fun? Either way it just looks tantrums"

You nasty, goady, horrible piece of work. Shame on you.

MistressDeeCee Sat 24-Aug-13 00:16:51

School claim my nephew has ADHD. He does play up at times. But there's also a teacher in his class who makes him very nervous. They've submitted reports etc . Saw SEN on 5th August, who say of course he doesn't have ADHD, he has different learning needs varying towards creative.

School say they are right - SEN say they are wrong. This has been going on for over a year now. Anyway..

Why on earth are some people swearing, namecalling, insulting, and actually personalising on this thread? Hardly adds to debate does it? there a gang out to get anyone who dares to disagree with their view? Is it a clique? Stress release? Fun?

Either way it just looks tantrums. Wow. Playground has nothing on this... grin

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