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Sole Trader - National Insurance Question

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WillWorkForFood · 01/01/2019 17:23

I have set up as a sole trader and whilst I managed to research and find out most of what I need to know, I'm struggling with National Insurance, from a state pension credits perspective

I'm aware that earnings need to be at least £112 per week to qualify for state pension credits and that NI has t be paid by 31st Jan the following year etc, but I can't find any information confirming how the pension credits are calculated when NI is paid in a lump sum like that.

For example, do they divide the total NI paid across the previous year in question and ascertain that an average of more than £112 per week was earned and retrospectively apply the state pension credits to the full 12 month period?

Or do they need a full week by week report on what was earned and then only pay credits for weeks that were over the threshold, even if the total was over the £112 p/w as an average?

I could do with some definite answers if anyone has any on how credits are earned, applied and measured when NI is paid annually.

My ultimate objective is to ensure that I don't miss out on state pension credits and that I report correctly to facilitate this, without having to resort to the far more expensive voluntary contributions.

Thanks in advance.

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WillWorkForFood · 06/01/2019 00:13

Sorry, I thought class 3 were the voluntary contributions - my bad.

So, £10 over or £10 under the threshold - how much NIC is paid if over and how much voluntary if under to keep full credits?

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Badbadbunny · 06/01/2019 08:47

Class 2 is £3 per week for 52 weeks (or fewer if you werent self employed the whole year). The same whatever level of profits.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/01/2019 09:35

Just do your bloody tax return and pay the class 2 Nics. I genuinely don’t get all this angst and £10 under/£10 over malarkey. I’m beginning to think this is a wind up.

MacarenaFerreiro · 06/01/2019 09:51

Agree with the above.

If you don't make the threshold for compulsory contributions, you can choose to pay or not.

It doesn't matter if you're £5, £50 or £5000 below the threshold. Class 2 is a flat rate for the year.

WillWorkForFood · 06/01/2019 23:03

Thank you - the websites are not clear whether voluntary contributions are made on a all or nothing or a pro-rata top up situation (assuming a full year in business).

I'm not trying to wind up anyone - this is all me to me and I have no experience or understanding of exactly how the rules are applied.

I now know it's an all or nothing situation, which isn't clear on the websites I've tried to educate myself from - they talk of amounts per week which is fine, but not the context this is applied.

For example, I might be slightly under and only need to make a few weeks worth of voluntary contributions to top up - I now know this isn't the case and it's all or nothing but it isn't clear where I've been looking.

At least I now know that I need to save 52 x £15 in voluntary NIC if I don't meet the threshold in my first year to keep up pensions credits, even if I miss it by a small amount - all or nothing, I get it now - that's all I needed confirming.

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Badbadbunny · 07/01/2019 06:35

At least I now know that I need to save 52 x £15 in voluntary NIC if I don't meet the threshold in my first year to keep up pensions credits, even if I miss it by a small amount - all or nothing, I get it now - that's all I needed confirming.

Have you read any of the replies above? It's class 2 at £3 per week that you can pay voluntarily when you're s/e.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 07/01/2019 06:54

Have you read any of the replies above?

That would be a no.....

MacarenaFerreiro · 07/01/2019 07:13

Exactly - class 2 only. I think it;s something like £148 for the year.

WillWorkForFood · 07/01/2019 07:50

Thank you.
I have read the above and accept that I'd misunderstood, confusing the difference between normal £3 pw NI and the cost of voluntary contributions, which I'd got into my head would more expensive at £15, which is as you say class 3.
Clear now.

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nojellybabies · 07/01/2019 15:36

People are making this all very complicated.

Here you go OP

www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-record

And here

www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

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