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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I think I love David Mitchell. Look at this article he wrote on pole dancing in the Cambridge Union

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HerBeatitude · 18/04/2010 22:16

he's got the point hasn't he?

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dittany · 19/04/2010 12:34

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blouseenthusiast · 19/04/2010 12:38

Brilliant. He must come for a webchat, please, HQ?

EggyAllenPoe · 19/04/2010 12:46

i especially liked where he says -

PC gone mad" is a long way from power ? it's still a minority party compared to "chauvinism gone senile".

very funny, and very true...

although i think pole dancing isn't necessarily any more degrading than dacing the waltz - the circumstances you do it in are important - woman pole dancers for her OH (before he finds some way to return the compliment)- not exploitative - prostitute waltzes with paying date - exploitative....

i don't think i commented on the 'sarah browns' feets thread on here, because it just shouldn't have been started....agree with DMitch 100% on that

AccioPinotGrigio · 19/04/2010 12:55

"Our evolution into apex individualists has superbly attuned us to injustices against us while atrophying our awareness of the vastly greater number that work in our favour."

What an unnecessarily, long winded and pompous way to say something so simple.

I loved his performance in Peep Show but thought that the Mitchell and Webb shows were lame.

IMO he's a bit of a media tart, he's everywhere and increasingly finding his way onto third rate shows which someone of his potential calibre shouldn't set foot near - The Bubble being a case in point.

He also sells his arse to the advertisers which (in the words of the late, great Bill Hicks) strikes him forever from the artistic roll call.

posieparker · 19/04/2010 13:00

Fry said of him that he missed his angry logic, when he was welcomed back onto QI....

He's brilliant.

posieparker · 19/04/2010 13:02

Accio.....he's making a living.

CatIsSleepy · 19/04/2010 13:03

good man

can't bear all this 'lap-dancing is empowering' bogus nonsense

ditto all this politicians' wives business

he has hit several nails on the head and is v. funny too

AccioPinotGrigio · 19/04/2010 13:03

Quite.

smallwhitecat · 19/04/2010 13:20

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jeee · 19/04/2010 13:23

David Mitchell wasn't above using 'spazz' as an insult on Mock the Week - so I suggest he's not canonised just yet.

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EggyAllenPoe · 19/04/2010 13:36

David Mitchell wasn't above using 'spazz' as an insult on Mock the Week

but he wasn't using it to insult a disabled person, was he?

so he may not a friend to the PC-brigade, but not, perhaps, a twat?

CatIsSleepy · 19/04/2010 13:38

ok
he's not perfect

it's still a good article

CrankyTwanky · 19/04/2010 13:41

Was just about to say that, jeee.

If it wasn't for that,

foureleven · 19/04/2010 13:42

Love it! Especially about the leaders wives... suprised the media hasnt come up with some WAG equivalent yet..

He is hilarious. First Pablo the drug mule, now this... I think its clear who should be running for PM in the election!

Kneazle · 19/04/2010 13:54

love David M [swoon]

smallwhitecat · 19/04/2010 13:55

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Sakura · 19/04/2010 13:57

Well if a mans written it then at least people might start to take notice

FioFio · 19/04/2010 14:00

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EggyAllenPoe · 19/04/2010 14:15

smallwhitecat - is the word 'bastard' intended to offend the parents of children born out of wedlock? or is it a generic insult? who decides?

i rather favour this view is that using the word per se is not disgraceful, but purposeflly insulting that group is.

Molesworth · 19/04/2010 14:20

Bloody disappointing to hear that DM used the word 'spazz'

Unacceptable and ignorant. I'm surprised at him tbh

AnyFucker · 19/04/2010 14:24

aww, can we not just let this article stand alone

and not go searching for all the other less-than-brilliant things he may/may not have said

eh ?

posieparker · 19/04/2010 14:30

Agree AF.

although have to say that everyone needs a little education sometimes!

policywonk · 19/04/2010 14:57

'Spaz' isn't great, but I agree that 'everyone needs a little education'. I get very weary (because of my personal circs) of hearing people use 'schizophrenic' improperly, but I know that 20 years ago I might have been guilty of doing the same thing. Mitchell has proved himself (in my eyes at least) as someone who is generally thoughtful and courteous.

ShowOfHands · 19/04/2010 15:03

I had an interesting conversation with my niece this weekend. She quite regularly, along with her friends, calls people "retards" or concepts "retarded". She is no stranger to being bullied for her own significant SN. She truly did not understand where the term came from and has resolved not to use it. Obviously, she's young and therefore it's very different but the word has slipped into her lexicon so easily.

DH's work similarly uses a term (though not retard) to describe any difficult job and I have heard his colleagues freely use it. When I pointed out what the term actually meant, they were universally horrified that they used it so openly.

Perhaps 'spazz' is one that we presume DM knows shouldn't be used for comedic gain but does he know how loaded it is as a term? Does he mean offence to a certain group of people? That I think I can safely presume he doesn't. I think often the crime is ignorance as opposed to cruelty.

A kneejerk reaction and labelling somebody a gobshite for the singular use of a certain word isn't endeavouring to inform or educate or change the way we use language, it's reductive and presumptuous.

I won't villify DM for the single use of a word. If I was sure he understood the offence he inadvertantly caused yet still persisted, I'd be right there with you.

Clearly, I'm wittering. But I think there lies a problem in language usage not being challenged more openly. Perhaps DM could write a column about it. Or get him on for a webchat. Then we could talk about the issue instead of villifying the individual.