Trick to sidestep equality law?

[Gerri1992]

Just saw this on x. This wouldn't work right? It would obviously just be an attempt to break equality law.

@GlovedhandsCecilia - it's about the WI too which is for adults.

@Datun I think the number of female people who were excluded because of identifying as nonbinary/no gender would be far greater than the number excluded because of having a male gender identity. I agree that those with a male gender might find it pleasing/validating to be excluded but the outcry from those who merely don't have a feminine one would be overwhelming.

Ah I see. Makes more sense.

TRA want groups where all women can attend by default, and some men can because they are very close to being women.

Once the group is established, how would the dynamics work? Would women be free to acknowledge that men attend?

If the group allow GC comments, trans identifying men would feel its a hostile environment, if not, GC women wouldn't feel welcome.

Whatever happens, trans ideology becomes front and center. Not women.

It doesn't matter what transboys , their parents or anyone else believes is discriminatory. The law decides.

And the discrimination would be because of their sex? Not because of them not having the required gender identity?

No if the people seemingly discriminated against think it isnt discriminatory, then there would be no case brought because everyone would be happy.

According to trans ideology anyone female who doesn't have a feminine gender identity comes under the trans umbrella (along with anyone male who doesn't have a masculine gender identity) so any such female people would be being discriminated against for being trans even if they weren't specifically claiming a masculine gender identity.

So would a 'Trans people and Allies' association work?
All the masculine people can meet in one corner and do manly stuff and all the feminine people can meet in the kitchen and make tea for the manly people.

It would still be illegal

Is it where you can't introduce a new member?

Technically, under the trans ideology, those of us that say that we don't have a gender identity because we are just female/male man/woman are also trans as we do not identify with the gender identity that matches our sex.

Yes.

Unless going by an interesting policy of 'it's only illegal at the point I get caught and consequenced'. And if the poor sap suffering due to your actions can spend the money and time and stress to fight through court for several years to stop you.

Which is kind of the point the police have a nice ankle bracelet they'd like you to wear.

Didnt tge Guides get in trouble for excluding girls who identified as bkys, and have to back down on that policy?

I think it would be clearer to say Mixed sex Guides or Guides.
But the issue is calling a space/group or service womens/girls which means female and allowing some males to access that space ....because that's unlawful.
You don't have to provide single sex spaces (with exceptions eg:workplace) but if you do and you label them single sex, they have to be single sex.
Same with The Womens institute ,Women changing rooms,Womens toilets,Womens ponds etc.
The Scouts for example is a mixed sex group ,no problem.
The Girl guides is a female single sex space,that's why allowing some males access is a legal problem.

Not RTFT, so sorry if I'm repeating others.
A Mumsnetter (well, her DH) tested this, didn't she, with the WI? He wanted to join because the local WI group did a particular activity that he was interested in and couldn't find another local group to do it, but was told he couldn't because he doesn't identify as female. He pointed out that it was indirect discrimination to allow in some men but not all men.

The legal problem has nothing to do with what you call the space. The legal problem (for TRA’s, it’s not a problem for me) is that you can’t in any way have a “space” reserved for women of any any ate and trans-identifying men of any age.

the labelling is irrelevant, whether it’s labelled as inclusive, exclusive or not labelled at all.

The focus on how a space is labelled is unhelpful because it gives the impression that as long as the sign on the door says “this association is for women and trans-identifying men” it becomes legal. It doesn’t.

i understand your point .
I do think labelling is relevant though.
A space can be single sex and labelled as such ie Womens
Or mixed sex and labelled as such ie: mixed sex and be legal.
But womens and trans identifying males ie: female and some males makes no legal sense and isnt' lawful.