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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hospital toilets. Mixed sex

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BetweenAppointments · 02/02/2026 13:47

I have posted about this (last year) but am making a new thread as wanted to actually take some action now.

I am a cancer patient at at a London cancer hospital. A new wing was opened a couple of years ago, and all of the toilets are sex cubicles with shared spaces for hand washing. I will add photos.

on most floors they are completely mixed sex and you can choose which cubicle you go in. Shared hand washing spaces.

in the main foyer they have put up signs to indicate men’s and women’s cubicles, but still shared hand washing.

I absolutely hate them. They’re completely inappropriate in a hospital setting, particularly a cancer hospital where many patients are unwell or dealing with very personal side effects of treatment

I’m planning to write formally to the hospital and would really like to push for change (or at least for proper single sex options). I will add photos so you can see what I mean.

Has anyone else experienced this in hospitals or public buildings? Has anyone successfully complained or campaigned about similar facilities? Any advice on how best to approach this or who to escalate to would be very welcome.

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Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 15:32

theDudesmummy · 02/02/2026 14:59

And the floor to ceiling doors? Has that not been a widely acknowledged no-no for years? In restaurants, clubs etc etc, and especially in hospitals? (I write as someone who many years ago collapsed in a toilet in an A&E, in a serious potentially life-threatening condition, and was rescued from it after someone looked under the door).

I did wonder about this. Most hospitals have food that can open from the outside in an emergency.

CousinBette · 02/02/2026 15:44

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 15:31

Really can’t see an issue. The cubicles have full doors. I wouldn’t be bothered by men washing their hands.

You’ve not spent much time in hospitals then? Men in wards are even less inhibited than usual. They often wander about inappropriately dressed (gowns hanging open) and don’t appear to give a shit. This may be for many reasons but the fact remains that it’s hard enough being ill and/or disabled (even if temporarily) without having to take extra care to look after your bodily integrity.

CousinBette · 02/02/2026 15:46

PS - best wishes OP for your hospital stay and treatment.

MarieDeGournay · 02/02/2026 15:46

Here's my non-expert contribution:
The building is in England?
The building was built in or after 2024?
It has to comply with Building Regs 'Document T'
which requires separate men's and women's toilets:

Requirement Toilet accommodation
T1. (1) Toilet accommodation in buildings other than dwellings—
(a) must consist of—

(i) reasonable provision for male and female single-sex toilets, or
(ii) where space precludes provision of single-sex toilets, universal toilets, and

(b) may consist of universal toilets in addition to single-sex toilets.

(2) In this requirement— “single-sex toilet” means toilet facilities which—

(a) are intended for the exclusive use of persons of the same sex, and
(b) provide washbasins and hand-drying facilities in—
(i) either the toilet room or cubicle, or
(ii) a separate area intended for use only by persons of that sex.

“universal toilet” means toilet facilities which—
(a) are provided in a fully enclosed room which contains a water closet and washbasin and hand-drying facilities, and
(b) is intended for individual use by persons of either sex.
Approved Document T - Toilet accomodation

These building regs were signalled in advance, so any building just a little bit older than 2024 should have the above configuration, it was being either ignorant or wilfully unhelpful to only provide mixed sex toilets when it was known that building regs would in 2024 explicitly require single sex facilities.

AnSolas · 02/02/2026 16:12

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 15:31

Really can’t see an issue. The cubicles have full doors. I wouldn’t be bothered by men washing their hands.

Its a hospital where ill people go and are likely to pass out in and not be noticed.

The not be noticed is directly due to the designer deciding a small locked room would be a good idea.

Which part of design in a way which is less likely to help kill the user is a difficult concept for the designer to grasp?

Of that to rescue a person who is passed out is much more difficult as the inward swing door is to the floor with no access point to lift them up
And they will be heavier than a single panel in a single sex block

SamphiretheTervosaur · 02/02/2026 16:23

It's almost as though they looked at the Regs for mixed sex provision, looked at the quote and thought, fuck it. New Doors and a sign and we're good to go

Absolute bastards!

AnSolas · 02/02/2026 16:23

MarieDeGournay · Today 15:46

it was being either ignorant or wilfully unhelpful to only provide mixed sex toilets when it was known that building regs would in 2024 explicitly require single sex facilitie

Cheap as can be design too.

If they put in propper single sex provision the design has to do a headcount × expected need by sex. Mixed sex headcount reduces total provision.

People are lazy so placing the women provision at the start also meant that men will likely use then too.
Place them at the back and a woman has to pass by 3 mens units.

Keeptoiletssafe · 02/02/2026 16:51

Hello

I remember your pictures from your last thread. I hope you are feeling better and thank you for taking time to complain about the toilets.

I am currently trying to edit a (too long) report to the HSE about why toilets need door gaps. I have lots of examples of deaths in non domestic toilets that may have been prevented. These include hospital toilets with private designs. In my previous discussions with them they have stated (for document T) that only single sex cubicles within a single sex environment can have gaps below and above the doors. So none of these examples above could unless the sink area or corridor was made single sex.

There are two design features that you need in order to save someone having a medical emergency in a toilet. Firstly you need know they are having a medical emergency and secondly you need to be able to access them. Currently the regulations only stipulate the second. Unfortunately this may mean it is a retrieval hours or sometimes days later. For safeguarding vulnerable people, the simple, cheapest, most effective way is for a floor to door gap.

It is well understood that people collapse in toilets and it is written into regulations to ensure that people are able to access and use buildings and their facilities safely, for example Document M and T in England. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland building regulations all contain sections on being able to rescue a person that has collapsed in a non-domestic toilet enclosure. For example in Document T for England (2024), the door to a toilet cubicle, a toilet room or a universal toilet should meet the following:
2.4c. Be capable of being opened from the outside if a person has collapsed against it while inside the toilet room or cubicle.
2.4d. If the door is inward opening, have an emergency release mechanism so that the door is capable of being opened outward, from the outside, in case of emergency, such as when a person has collapsed while inside the toilet room or cubicle.
2.4g. Adequately resist the passage of sound in toilet rooms.

As can be seen in some of the examples of recent deaths in toilets, there was a delay in retrieving occupants because 2.4c and 2.4d were not in place. If the toilet is in a room, such as is required in a universal design, 2.4g hinders safety if the occupant is making noises that will alert others that urgent access is required.

On the photograph, you will see the two cubicles with the handle are outwards opening. These look like they are set up as ambulant toilets. They will have handrails etc in them for frailer people. These need to be equally distributed between male and female. The second door in, when open, will impede the end occupants exit which is also not good. The other doors look like they only open inwards so if someone collapses on the toilet, they’ll collapse on the door. It can cause problems for the fire brigade as they don’t know where to cut.

There are so many reasons those toilets are not to standard. In the guidance section in document T is ‘The layout when entering, exiting and using a toilet room or cubicle should cater for the safety, privacy and dignity of users. Cubicle doors should only open into single-sex toilet accommodation.’

I have lots more information regarding ventilation, cleaning, hygiene, sexual assaults and why having a door gap is better for all the above. For instance 11% of cardiac arrests happen whilst on the toilet. I know that there are 100s of drug related deaths in toilet provision, including hospitals.

I can give you some more information, depending on what you need. What I can’t do is give you advice on how to proceed.

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/02/2026 16:59

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 15:31

Really can’t see an issue. The cubicles have full doors. I wouldn’t be bothered by men washing their hands.

Now try to imagine yourself in a mixed sex shared wash basin/mirror toilet facility as the only woman in a room full of men. You have a period or are flooding due to pre menopause Are you still feeling comfortable?

I do tend to think that those that say they are perefectly comfortable in facilities ( which are normally single sex) with strange men have a definite lack of imagination.

FcukBreastCancer · 02/02/2026 17:04

I'm being treated at a national cancer centre and I'm sick of wiping piss off the seat and stepping around puss also.
They are individual (dusabled). cubibals with basin, but not enough of them. A new hospital is being built though

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 02/02/2026 17:18

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/02/2026 16:59

Now try to imagine yourself in a mixed sex shared wash basin/mirror toilet facility as the only woman in a room full of men. You have a period or are flooding due to pre menopause Are you still feeling comfortable?

I do tend to think that those that say they are perefectly comfortable in facilities ( which are normally single sex) with strange men have a definite lack of imagination.

Edited

Yeah, lack of imagination or they're men and can't possibly imagine what it's like to be a vulnerable woman.

Timerouswolfie · 02/02/2026 17:22

This is appalling. As @Keeptoiletssafe has educated me on via Mumsnet, floor to ceiling doors are less safe anywhere but my god in a hospital what are they thinking!

I can’t stand mixed sex toilets at the best of times. Always stink and piss on the floor along with the seat up issue. But in a hospital, where both sexes may have particular toilet issues, or could become unwell. I wouldn’t like group hand washing either, with the opposite sex in their pyjamas or whatever.

Its shameful OP that you’re going through what you are with this on top.

BillieWiper · 02/02/2026 17:27

So there are two sets of toilets on each side of the disabled that both look like your photo?

So it looks like it used to be one door to mens, then one door to women's. But for some reason they've just branded each cubicle within to be either sex?

That's weird and unnecessary. And I think illegal.
Why not just swap it so all of first set are female, all of second are male?

Either that or they must have the sink inside the actual toilet cubicle.

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 17:35

@Shortshriftandlethalit really wouldn’t bother me.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/02/2026 17:46

Good, you're ok then. 🙄

This is against all regs OP, really hope you can challenge it.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/02/2026 17:47

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 17:35

@Shortshriftandlethalit really wouldn’t bother me.

you're so cool.

Can you acknowledge, that it bothers some women and you can't give consent on their behalf and that this design is dangerous especially in a hospital environment as set out in @Keeptoiletssafe's posts?

What is it about removing women's rights to safety and dignity and making toilets less safe that appeals to you so much?

HildegardP · 02/02/2026 17:58

That arrangement doesn't look like it conforms to building regs. They can have unisex enclosed rooms each with their own handwashing facilities, that give directly onto "free flow areas" ie; open corridors, or they can have single-sex cubicles with shared handwasing.

This is neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring & Christ alone knows how a hospital got so obsessed with blokes in lippy that they've entirely overlooked the reasons for cubicle design in relation to safety, even at the medical level. Which brings us to a further question, where are the emergency alarm cords?

Edited to remove redundancy

MarieDeGournay · 02/02/2026 18:07

FcukBreastCancer · 02/02/2026 17:04

I'm being treated at a national cancer centre and I'm sick of wiping piss off the seat and stepping around puss also.
They are individual (dusabled). cubibals with basin, but not enough of them. A new hospital is being built though

Best wishes to you and the OP with your treatment - thanks to CousinBette for reminding me to say this, it is the most important thingFlowers

If the new hospital is in England, it will have to have separate men's and women's toilets. It may have mixed sex ones if it want to, but only as optional extras.
I hope somebody reminds them of Doc T of the Building regs at the planning stage!

Changename12 · 02/02/2026 18:16

I think it is terrible. I wish you all the best if you are going to pursue this.

FcukBreastCancer · 02/02/2026 18:16

@MarieDeGournay it's in Wales so I don't know.

Apologies for all my typos. Writing without glasses on during cooking 😅

Timerouswolfie · 02/02/2026 18:19

I wonder what the health and safety manager has to say.

Bobbymoore123 · 02/02/2026 18:19

Right...

usedtobeaylis · 02/02/2026 18:20

Toddlerteaplease · 02/02/2026 15:31

Really can’t see an issue. The cubicles have full doors. I wouldn’t be bothered by men washing their hands.

If you're not bothered either way then it makes sense to revert to not having shared hand washing areas for the many women who do.

usedtobeaylis · 02/02/2026 18:21

Why do people think that if they're not bothered that that's the final word? If you're not bothered then there's no need to say you're not bothered. Your un-botheredness isn't relevant.

BetweenAppointments · 02/02/2026 19:01

I’ve got some free time tomorrow morning so I’m going to draft my correspondence to the hospital.

it bothers me so much! I am in my 40’s. Most people I see at the hospital are older. Most are over 60 I’d say.

There are 6 toilet cubicles in the main foyer. 3 for men and 3 for women.

On the ground floor, the disabled toilet is complete separate in a different area.

On the lower ground floor, the toilet set up is very similar, but no m/f signs so anyone can use any cubicle. There are also 2 disabled toilets with sinks inside the cubicle, so at least they got this right!
however These toilets are much quieter. In fact, they are so quiet when I used them it was just me and 1 man having a wee in the next cubicle, and I then had to use the wash basin at the same time time as him. No-one else around. No privacy. It made me uncomfortable.

I expect they have already received feedback as the toilets on the ground floor have the m/f signage on the cubicles to try and separate the sexes. But the basins are still shared and very narrow, so you don’t get much space as men are walking behind you to get to the furthest cubicles assigned to them.

all the Female toilet doors open inwards.

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