New trans equality civil servant at the Cabinet Office to focus on the ‘implications’ of 2025’s Supreme Court judgment

[IwantToRetire]

Well, well, well.

Talk about sending a clear message about who is more important to Labour.

Trans will get their own cheer leader to make sure they are not discriminated against.

Women have no one to stop the discriminiation of blocking the implementation of singe sex provision.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/19/civil-service-hire-trans-equality-chief-supreme-court/

And at https://archive.is/S57Uv

You are very coy about stating what you think "trans rights" actually are.

A trans-identifying woman was placed on a men's locked psychiatric ICU and was identified as female and allegedly§ raped twice by another patient within an hour. She was placed on the men's ward on the basis of her gender identity.

I think that her rights were:

• To be placed on the women's ward in line with her sex, in order for her
• to be safeguarded whilst involuntarily detained, and
• granted privacy and dignity whilst in shared medical accommodation.

Her legal status as having the EA2010 protected characteristic of gender reassignment had nothing to do with her rights. Her sex did.

§ The criminal trial is ongoing.

On the contrary. Most of the conflict has been caused by trans identified men (usually) shoving themselves - or being enabled by their establishment allies to shove themselves - into women's single sex spaces.
Toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, rape crisis centres, prisons.
Women's sports and awards, positions representing women, lesbian social spaces and lesbian dating sites.

Rewriting the rules so that women (and men) who object to any of this can be demonised as "haters" and "bigots", disciplined, sacked and dragged through the courts.
Noisy, disorderly and indecent demonstrations and vandalism. Intimidating venues into cancelling bookings from women's organisations. Harassing women on social media with filthy sexualised insults and threats for daring to say that sex is real and that there are times when it matters.
Are you really trying to tell us that you weren't aware of any of this? Or do you think it counts as "just living their lives"?

It’s like getting in a time machine to 2018. Not that I wouldn’t, tbh.

great. Trans people keep their inner sense if self in their head, dress how they want,don’t demand others validate their identity by pretending they can’t see what sex people are abd they use the facilities relevant to their sex. Awesome. Now go tell the TRA on Reddit your suggestion and we’re sorted. Good luck.

Collat could start with suggesting to India Willoughby that India isn't actually a woman, not physically, not really. That could be quite amusing.

I would pay to see that! We might even get to see the famous cervix! 😂😂😂😂😂

I know, so exciting, we've been waiting for so long.

Go on @Collat, you know you want to.

And just like with gender, there’s the typical pattern and then the nuances. Trans people are part of those gender‑related nuances, because gender is about social and psychological identity, not gametes or anatomy. None of that contradicts the biology — it just shows that human categories have both norms and variation in both sex and gender.

So do we agree that "woman" means "adult female human" in the biological sense, as it has always done, and has nothing whatsoever to do with gender? So transwomen are men? As you say, gender has nothing to do with biology and sex, so "man" and "woman" cannot be related to gender.

As long as they stay decent - having seen a few trans identifying men on the tube in miniskirts and fishnets with a bit too much on display, I don’t want to be part of their fetish.

You are, I note, Collat, steering well clear of the motivation of many trans identifying men: autogynephilia. What are your views on that?

No one has addressed the post where I listed major medical and scientific organization around the world that supports this position

That supports what position, exactly?

Nobody here denies that there are people who believe they are trans. Nobody here denies that there are people who believe such a thing as gender identity exists.

So a list of organisations which support the existence of people who believe they are trans, or the existence of a belief in gender identity, is not going to have any impact.

Some secondary sex characteristics, maybe...such as breasts or genitalia - but not one's essential sex which is deeply wired in chromosomes. The hard drive if you like.

Ok. You are saying female is not defined by the production of large gametes. As someone who has claimed to have read biology beyond GCSE level - what is the feature in common between female humans, female spiders and female apple trees?

You can actually tell a lot more from bones than the sex. You can detect dietary content, possible sorts of reptitive actions, activities and occupations etc

I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer has a trans family member. It's often the case with many transgender supporters, like David Tennant.

Nah, not even the secondary sex characteristics. What we obtain through surgery is never the equivalent of what the other sex has. At the very best, it very superficially looks like it, but functionally and anatomically, it doesn't compare.

Plus, of course, it's still made of cells of our own sex, and it's still attached to a body of our own sex. Even if someone could actually magically give me a penis, it would be a penis made of female cells and attached to a female body, thus a very different thing from a man's penis.

'Gender identity' comes into the same sort of category as 'religion' or 'personal belief system' none of which can be detected in bones, although I imagine educated guesses could be made as to a person's lifestyle based on subtle clues.

I imagine that large doses of hormones , especially those not naturally suited to the body, might well leave a trace on the body of someone who had adopted a trans identity and had taken such steps.

Of course, removing or altering secondary sexual characteristics can only ever be superficial...but you can alter them in a way you cannot alter your chromosomes.

I think there is more than that. There was the odd situation with the two Ukrainian male prostitutes. Plus his seeming determination to destroy Britain. I do wonder if someone has something on him or if he is in the pay of someone.

Nah. He’s just a wazzock.

The organizations I cited don’t merely acknowledge that some people believe they are trans. They recognize trans people as a real demographic group whose experiences, needs, and outcomes have been studied across psychology, sociology, public health, and human rights research.

Their positions involve empirical claims about the existence of trans populations, the stability of trans identity over time, the effectiveness of various support approaches, and the social factors that affect trans people’s wellbeing. Those are evidence‑based conclusions, not acknowledgements of belief.

which then to keep it on track, If the civil service is hiring a specialist to shape policy for trans people, that presupposes that trans people are a recognized demographic whose needs warrant dedicated policy work.

You’re framing this as if trans identity were a belief system like religion or folklore, when in reality it’s treated as a recognized demographic category in policy, research, and law

Yup.

WPATH is a campaign group for Trans, not a scientific organisation. Listing them is a bit like listing the ISIS as evidence that Islam is true.

All the groups you list recognise Muslims as a demographic too.

You’re framing this as if trans identity were a belief system like religion or folklore, when in reality it’s treated as a recognized demographic category in policy, research, and law

There is no biological, objective of diagnostic criteria for it.

Its a metaphysical belief about the self. Exactly like religion.

So many hours, so many words inadvertently making our arguments for us. Regardless of all the flannel:

• No one can change their sex.

• Women require single sex spaces for safety, privacy and dignity.

• No man should be allowed to use women’s single sex spaces.