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City of London says Sex Matters "out of time" and has "no standing" re Hapstead Ponds

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IwantToRetire · 19/12/2025 20:40

On 17th December there was a full-day permission hearing in our case against the City of London over the Hampstead ponds. A decision on whether the case can go forward is expected in January.
The permission hearing was held because the City of London, rather than defend the lawfulness of its policy of allowing men into the women’s pond, is trying to put up procedural barriers to the policy even being questioned.

It says that our claim is out of time because it has been following a gender self-ID policy since 2017. At the same time, it argues that our claim is premature because it is planning to change the policy for the Hampstead ponds next year following a consultation. It also argues that Sex Matters doesn’t have standing and that instead of answering our claim, individual women should bear the burden of bringing cases.
We say that this kind of squirming shouldn’t allow the City of London to duck and dive its way out of defending its policy and complying with the Equality Act.

If it is confident that its policy based on gender identity is lawful and doesn’t result in sex discrimination or harassment, it should defend that policy. It is in everyone’s interest to understand whether it is lawful to provide a service for women that includes men with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

Full article at https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-and-the-city-of-london/

City of London says Sex Matters "out of time" and has "no standing" re Hapstead Ponds
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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 16:51

I know we all know this but a quick reminder that you couldn’t have a consultation that said let’s have a club that only invites men but not black ones. It wouldn’t matter how many times people voted for that to be a thing it still wouldn’t be allowed and it’s the same here.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 16:51

I know we all know this but a quick reminder that you couldn’t have a consultation that said let’s have a club that only invites men but not black ones. It wouldn’t matter how many times people voted for that to be a thing it still wouldn’t be allowed and it’s the same here.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 16:51

I know we all know this but a quick reminder that you couldn’t have a consultation that said let’s have a club that only invites men but not black ones. It wouldn’t matter how many times people voted for that to be a thing it still wouldn’t be allowed and it’s the same here.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 16:51

I know we all know this but a quick reminder that you couldn’t have a consultation that said let’s have a club that only invites men but not black ones. It wouldn’t matter how many times people voted for that to be a thing it still wouldn’t be allowed and it’s the same here.

BillieWiper · Yesterday 17:05

AidaP · 20/12/2025 08:15

Because you continue to refuse to see the obvious - that there is no "silent transphobic majority" despite what this forum and others keep expecting to suddenly make itself visible, and instead most people are understanding and supportive of transgender people. And that's despite the press being openly hostile for years now, and now also having openly transphobic government, it's still not enough for that supposed "silent majority" to emerge.

It just doesn't exist.

Eventually you got to allow the possibility of being wrong about it, even if it may feel like an earth-shattering idea. But once you do, you may get the answer you seek, especially if you actually meet some trans people and learn that despite what hate group campaigners tell you, those are actual humans, despite you refusing them basic dignity.

Why is it refusing them basic dignity to not go into women's spaces? They know they're not actually women. They are trans. Which is a separate category. They should campaign for their own third space or use mixed spaces.

Wearenotborg · Yesterday 20:22

Bobbymoore123 · Yesterday 07:57

Is everything that doesn't go your way unfairly "rigged"?
If you answer please remember that every time there's a consultation it is posted here for the users to participate in.

But aren’t a lot of the trans community claiming the Supreme Court judgement was “rigged”? Seen a lot of that on Reddit and bluesky. So I assume you’ll be telling them off as well?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · Yesterday 22:04

There will not ever be a point where I decide I was wrong about men with very dodgy ideas about women, boundaries and equality, wishing to subordinate all females in law and make submitting to undressing/being handled by a man to gratify his inner self expression being wholly unacceptable.

Obviously.

I'm quite happy to be a lone voice of sanity on the matter, it really does not bother me. Validation not required.

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