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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Humphrys and the BBC

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WarriorN · 16/11/2025 09:57

from tweet: https://x.com/ronninicole1/status/1989870667479879782?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

John Humphrys

"...A new powerful lobby had emerged...They demanded to be represented and heard. And ultimately to be obeyed. To use their own definition they were “genderqueer, bisexual, gay, lesbian, transgender, nonbinary queer"

The Times
archive.today/PhXgp

Ronni Nicole #KPSS (@RonniNicole1) on X

John Humphrys "...A new powerful lobby had emerged...They demanded to be represented and heard. And ultimately to be obeyed. To use their own definition they were “genderqueer, bisexual, gay, lesbian, transgender, nonbinary queer" The Times https://...

https://x.com/ronninicole1/status/1989870667479879782?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

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WarriorN · 16/11/2025 09:58

Archive link in tweet

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WarriorN · 16/11/2025 10:32

I’m not passing any comment on him as I know about that, but it’s an interesting read.

not least as so many people will have seen what happened with him, and others, and and not stuck their head over the parapet

this is a culture of quiet intimidation within the bbc.

those who have spoken out have lost so much . And are so brave for doing so.

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WarriorN · 16/11/2025 10:36

He also makes good points about his background and early life experiences- and how the recent diversity policies at the bbc, which ultimately guides output, land with people with similar backgrounds to him.

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junipery · 16/11/2025 11:03

That was interesting. I’d like to have seen him expand a bit on the activists and explain more about their impact.

WarriorN · 16/11/2025 11:10

Yes agree

some of me wonders if he’s jumping on a bandwagon here, or was it one aspect of wider concerns he had about bias

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Brainworm · 16/11/2025 11:23

I struggle with the common tendency to dismiss someone’s argument solely on the basis of past positions or likelihood of bias due to perceived privileged or marginalised status.

Invalidating the speaker rather than interrogating the claim reinforces echo chambers. I’m struck by how pervasive this is and how journalism is missing opportunities to address this.

DisappearingGirl · 16/11/2025 12:00

Adding the archive link from the tweet here

https://archive.ph/PhXgp

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2025 14:48

Orogeny · 16/11/2025 10:21

Let's not forget that this is the man who didn't think his female co-presenter deserved equal pay.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/45583/the-response-to-john-humphrys-jokes-shows-were-still-letting-the-wrong-people-speak-about-pay
A transcript of his comments here (misses his entitled, disparaging tone):
<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20250607233701/www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/women-fume-as-john-humphrys-jokes-with-jon-sopel-about-bbc-pay-in-wake-of-carrie-gracie-resignation-nkmdmcdwf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20250607233701/www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/women-fume-as-john-humphrys-jokes-with-jon-sopel-about-bbc-pay-in-wake-of-carrie-gracie-resignation-nkmdmcdwf

I stopped listening to Today the day I heard the clip.

He might be sexist.

Does this mean he doesn't have a point about class though?

Think about this and actually read the article rather than being dismissive because Humphrys somehow doesn't tick your 'virtuous good' box.

You are dismissive on the basis of a personality rather than the point. That's prejudice. You aren't listening.

Until relatively recently, the overwhelming majority of its output has reflected this educated and relatively liberal world view. The BBC’s critics argued that working-class voices were at best being marginalised and at worst ignored. Too much of its political coverage reflected the concerns of middle-class professionals, particularly around economic policy, Brexit and austerity, rather than working-class lives and values.

It wasn’t until a few years ago that the big bosses acknowledged that perhaps there was, after all, a problem. A report by the BBC Trust in 2016 found that the corporation needed to do more to represent “people from working-class backgrounds” because trust in the BBC was so much lower in poorer and less formally educated groups. Various academic studies highlighted a “class ceiling” in the way many media narratives were constructed, often reinforcing mainstream, middle-class values as normative.

This isnt Humphrys opinion. This is a quote about a report from 2016. An important report.

When the industry regulator Ofcom conducted its own review of attitudes in 2023 it found that only 55 per cent of working-class and lower-income households had a positive opinion of the BBC compared with 67 per cent of middle-class professionals. Its portrayal of working-class characters in dramas could be “stereotypical or tokenistic”. Hardly surprising that Ofcom’s study showed so many viewers thought the BBC was “overly politically correct”.

Neither is this Humphrys opinion. This is a quote from the media regulator. It's a significant observation.

Politics in this country has become increasingly divided on class lines in recent years, so this IS a massive issue for the BBC that MANY MANY people - including journalists with a huge amount of integrity - have pointed in the last decade.

This isn't something that Robbie Gibb has somehow stirred up as a political appointment. If anything May's appointment of him was something of a response to something that was already being noted and accepted in reputable quarters as an existing problem that needed addressing. But this wasn't liked by the status quoists who wants to just carry on as if there isn't a problem.

The EXCUSES and the DETERMINATION to ignore a problem because it doesn't come from 'the right source' is a sight to behold.

Orogeny · 16/11/2025 15:19

I can be a GC woman without having the slightest interest in what an antediluvian sexist like Humphrys says. Not everyone who reads this board is old enough to remember him in his pomp so I thought it worth providing some context.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2025 15:22

Orogeny · 16/11/2025 15:19

I can be a GC woman without having the slightest interest in what an antediluvian sexist like Humphrys says. Not everyone who reads this board is old enough to remember him in his pomp so I thought it worth providing some context.

Glad to see you are so open minded to a BBC Trust report and an Ofcom Report.

What do you have against them?

Honestly it's embarrassing that after that post, you are still focused on John Humphrys rather than THE ACTUAL STORY.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 16/11/2025 15:23

Orogeny · 16/11/2025 15:19

I can be a GC woman without having the slightest interest in what an antediluvian sexist like Humphrys says. Not everyone who reads this board is old enough to remember him in his pomp so I thought it worth providing some context.

Ageist insult, no?

AMansAManForAllThat · 16/11/2025 15:38

The article illustrates a compulsory groupthink approach at the BBC.
It isn’t just that it’s innately biased because it’s insufficiently diverse.
It isn’t just that it focuses on the world as it would like the world to be rather than as it actually is, or indeed as others would like it to be.

It’s that a few words off script and you are no longer ‘in house style’. You are off message so aren’t allowed to speak.

I find it surprising that respected, experienced people like Jenny Murray and John Humphrys are put out to pasture for being ‘off message’.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/11/2025 16:05

John Humphrys is 82. Brilliant broadcaster in his day, but when he stopped presenting the Today programme in 2019 there were plenty who thought it was overdue. He was far too keen on the sound of his own voice.

Having said that, I agree with a lot of what he said in that article (thanks for the archive link).

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2025 17:12

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/11/2025 16:05

John Humphrys is 82. Brilliant broadcaster in his day, but when he stopped presenting the Today programme in 2019 there were plenty who thought it was overdue. He was far too keen on the sound of his own voice.

Having said that, I agree with a lot of what he said in that article (thanks for the archive link).

It's possible that he was ready to retire AND he's also right in what he says on this subject.

The idea that's it's an either / or scenario is bonkers.

muddyford · 16/11/2025 17:19

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/11/2025 16:05

John Humphrys is 82. Brilliant broadcaster in his day, but when he stopped presenting the Today programme in 2019 there were plenty who thought it was overdue. He was far too keen on the sound of his own voice.

Having said that, I agree with a lot of what he said in that article (thanks for the archive link).

I think the current presenters on Today are a squillion times worse than JH. So smug and never shut up.

MyThreeWords · 16/11/2025 18:09

If you look up bumptious in the dictionary, I'm sure there is a picture of John Humphreys. There may even be a screenshot of that article.

He does make one or two good points, but only after he has told us how outrageous it was that he didn't continue to be feted after his retirement.

And when he went on, in the article, about how he sometimes feels like shouting at the radio these days I just felt like screaming Now you know how it was for me, listening to your smug pugilism in place of analysis!

His disdain for DEI veers a bit far towards a red-faced colonel blustering from Tunbridge Wells. But there is an interesting aspect of the article that is implicit, rather than fully stated. It is the paradoxical fact that DEI at the BBC was in part an attempt to move beyond its middle-class cosiness - but the over-valuing within the DEI agenda of all the trans/queer stuff was actually a retreat into a hyper-middle-class culture bubble.

WarriorN · 16/11/2025 18:15

As I say, and as @RedToothBrushso clearly points out in a much better way that I can, not a comment on him, but an interesting read nonetheless. Namely the parts that Red highlighted.

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WarriorN · 16/11/2025 18:16

That’s what the TRAs highjacked @MyThreeWords

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FightingFair · 16/11/2025 19:49

@MyThreeWords you stated this so well. The problem with Gender Ideology and much Identity politics as can been seen across the Western world, is it reinforces class. Gender Ideology is a top down movement coming out of a Left wing academia most out of touch with working-class lives. The result has been huge numbers of the working-class rejecting the Left as not representing their economic and social interests any longer. This is true in the UK & USA. Unfortunately the Mainstream Media which is dominated by elite university graduates just doubles down and keeps reinforcing and repeating the same mistake. They are somehow unaware they are in a class bubble. The biggest lack of representation in terms of diversity has been diversity of viewpoints.

TempestTost · 16/11/2025 19:56

Well the focus on race hasn't broadened things any more than the focus on gender or sexuality.

This suggests that the real problem is with the method, not just the particular groups that they are looking at.

FightingFair · 16/11/2025 20:02

The method has been fashionable ideas from university humanities departments that are inadequate.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/11/2025 20:24

MyThreeWords · 16/11/2025 18:09

If you look up bumptious in the dictionary, I'm sure there is a picture of John Humphreys. There may even be a screenshot of that article.

He does make one or two good points, but only after he has told us how outrageous it was that he didn't continue to be feted after his retirement.

And when he went on, in the article, about how he sometimes feels like shouting at the radio these days I just felt like screaming Now you know how it was for me, listening to your smug pugilism in place of analysis!

His disdain for DEI veers a bit far towards a red-faced colonel blustering from Tunbridge Wells. But there is an interesting aspect of the article that is implicit, rather than fully stated. It is the paradoxical fact that DEI at the BBC was in part an attempt to move beyond its middle-class cosiness - but the over-valuing within the DEI agenda of all the trans/queer stuff was actually a retreat into a hyper-middle-class culture bubble.

Agreed!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/11/2025 20:27

FightingFair · 16/11/2025 19:49

@MyThreeWords you stated this so well. The problem with Gender Ideology and much Identity politics as can been seen across the Western world, is it reinforces class. Gender Ideology is a top down movement coming out of a Left wing academia most out of touch with working-class lives. The result has been huge numbers of the working-class rejecting the Left as not representing their economic and social interests any longer. This is true in the UK & USA. Unfortunately the Mainstream Media which is dominated by elite university graduates just doubles down and keeps reinforcing and repeating the same mistake. They are somehow unaware they are in a class bubble. The biggest lack of representation in terms of diversity has been diversity of viewpoints.

This is where I link, for the umpteenth time, to the article about the Deptford Women's Project which was targeted and undermined by clueless Goldsmiths students who identified as left-wing but had no idea about the lives of the women they were supposed to be helping. https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

Leftist women in the UK refuse to accept Labour's attempts to silence critiques of gender identity

Working class women and Labour Party members are incensed at being harassed and silenced in their attempts to discuss gender identity. But they are fighting back.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity

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