Criticism of Islam is a protected belief

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15272771/Criticism-Islam-ruled-legally-protected-belief-man-banned-fined-thousands-pounds-social-media-posts.html

I wasn't able to find the judgment. There'll be a hearing in February but it's not clear to me whether claimant's beliefs have already been tested for Grainger compliance. Either way, the tribunal will (also) have to address objectionable manifestation (Bananarama doctrine).

I've raised it here because of the parallels with Forstater. It's a constant refrain of TRAs that permitting Forstater belief is tantamount to attacking GR as a protected characteristic. They do not understand secularism (or the SC ruling).

Of course the situation is not the same insofar as Islam has not been written into our law and Muslims don't expect the rest of us to follow its rules.

Article 9, anyone?

Muslim is synonymous with outsider or non Brit. That is not my opinion, Islam has been on these shores longer than Christianity in fact, but it is how your everyday working class yahoo sees it. I do understand that Islam is a faith that brings people of all colours and sexualities together as a united people of love and tolerance in pious devotion to God, but again, we aren’t talking about us educated folk here.

Why would you even be in a conversation at work about your beliefs about any religion? Why would you need to employ skills of "tolerance" to work with someone of faith?

When it comes to workplace conversations, I can understand "I'm fasting today because it is a holy day where we fast for this reason". I can understand "watch out for kids feeling unwell today. Some of them are fasting and it is particularly hot today". I cannot understand "I think Religion X is problematic".

No, research into unconscious bias says exactly that.

There are different bits of research, you see.

12 Reasons to Be Skeptical of Common Claims About Implicit Bias | Psychology Today

Love and tolerance! He couldn't go home because they would kill him!

What I know is that several oppressed groups (including wome experience discriminatory in hiring practices once their identity as a member of said group is suspected.

Well, a couple of recent posters on here have led sheltered lives, for sure.

And can "POC" individuals not demonstrate bias? I have news for you...

@Morningsleepin, here's a quick summary on the Moorish occupations of Spain, for your better information:
https://www.google.com/search?q=moorish+caliphates+treatment+of+jews+christians

Anyone can demonstrate bias.

I know. Tell Swiftasthewind.

Of course, thank you for correcting me. I try to uplift marginalised voices wherever I can help it, but I am a white women and unfortunately, can be guilty of falling woefully short myself.

I wholeheartedly apologise if my laxity has caused offence to anybody reading. I will do better.

Eh? Have you heard what happening in Sudan as we speak?? You seem to be missing huge chunks of information.

Or to the Yazidis?

• More than 100 churches, Christian buildings, and even private homes belonging to Christians have been forcibly occupied during the country’s ongoing conflict.
• There has been a spike in the abduction and killing of Christian men by radical Islamic groups.
• Church leaders are targeted by false charges, including terrorism and apostasy, despite the apostasy law being abolished in 2020.
• Converts from Islam face violence, imprisonment, forced marriage, rejection, sexual violence, disinheritance, and losing custody of their children. Many are forced to flee their homes, or feel that staying is unsustainable.
• Christians are also experiencing exceptional hardship in the hunger crisis because local communities discriminate against them and won’t give them support.

www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/sudan/

Islam has been on these shores longer than Christianity?

Who on earth told you that massive lie? It is so untrue there aren't any words for that level of untruthfulness. Off the scale. Insane.

This poster likes to try to wind people up on the subject of race and ethnicity

That would be my university professor father, who I am going to confidently predict is infinitely more educated than you.

I think Swift is extracting the urine.

For all I know, they are actually a black, male conservative who isn't from the UK and is having a right laugh posting this bollocks (and considers himself to be an 'exotic lovely'... or whatever the phrase was that Swift used).

Ok

@Swiftasthewind

The thing about Islamophobia specifically is that it most definitely can be perpetuated by people who are not white but are also not Muslim.

There is someone I have in mind who I know personally holds quite extreme views against Islam (and Muslims, really). They are definitely not white and not British by birth, either. I have similar concerns about how their views manifest at work.

I think that this would come down to saying people can have whatever "bad" belief, but they cannot express or communicate it. Or perhaps it can be stated but not in a way that is perceived to be trying to convince others.

You see this approach in some religious states, you can be a Christian, say, but you can't talk about it without the worry that you will be seen as proselytising. Or some of the communist regimes have also taken this approach. Often presented as, of course you have freedom of belief, just not freedom to say anything about non-approved beliefs.

Uplifting marginalised voices on the one hand.
Asking for recommendations for where to go to shag "exotic lovelies" on the other.

Can we be intolerant of those who do not tolerate homosexuality?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

Just for fun - the Ghost version.

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This always happens when religion is discussed. People go well x religion suffers as much/more/is openly criticised etc etc.

its not a competition about how is oppressed more. It’s not a competition about who can be thought of critically more.

I'm Christian and feel we do get a lot of criticism even hate. In this country I’m lucky I am not persecuted and hav the freedom to worship. I think that’s right. If you cannot critique a religion then that is oppression. Regardless of the religion. Personally I feel there is more judgement on those who critique Islam than other religions, but I accept I may be bias because I have strong opinions myself and am uncomfortable with much of what I see in that religion. Criticism is needed. I’m free to criticise the sexism in my own religion and I do openly criticise that. We should have the right to call thing like that out and voice our discomfort with that we’re ever we see it. As much as we have the right to practice our religion of choice. I do think it should be a choice though and that taps into a criticism I have of Islam and young girls

Oh my lord, why are people still resorting to drudging up that comment from weeks ago to attack me! grrrrrr 😡

Because you are a hypocrite.

Yes it was poorly worded, believe me I understand that loud and clear. It was also massively out of context but that’s a whole other kettle of fish. Please, please, please can we move on from this Okay?

Because you fetishise and objectify people of colour.

Oh, and speak for them.

So no, you don't uplift them. Quite the opposite. Your guilt about that is yours to deal with.