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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl,17, took own life waiting for gender dysphoria treatment

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Davros · 09/10/2025 18:13

This is in my local paper, I looked on the BBC news website to see if it was there but couldn’t find it, couldn’t see another thread. It’s an interesting article, sorry about all the random ads. I expected it to be full of tosh about “gender affirmation” but it didn’t really say that
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25528275.girl-17-took-life-waiting-gender-dysphoria-treatment/?ref=eb&nid=2390&block=article_block_a&u=a248f39b87a0e63551993ca1336fdb9a&date=091025

Teenage girl took own life waiting for gender dysphoria treatment

A teenage girl who took her own life waiting for gender dysphoria treatment could have been saved by swifter intervention, a coroner has ruled.

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25528275.girl-17-took-life-waiting-gender-dysphoria-treatment/?ref=eb&nid=2390&block=article_block_a&u=a248f39b87a0e63551993ca1336fdb9a&date=091025

OP posts:
anyolddinosaur · 10/10/2025 09:55

Poor child, there really should be better mental health services. The TRAs who encourage these children to commit suicide are disgusting.

GCman · 10/10/2025 09:57

bananastraightener · 10/10/2025 09:32

It's definitely because of people who support trans rights that this girl killed herself, and not because of the massive reduction in trans healthcare?

The truth twisting on here is breathtaking when a young girl has died and you're using it to score points. Disgusting. You're so far down the rabbit hole of obsession and hatred that you can't go back.

It was a boy that died, don't insult women.

BundleBoogie · 10/10/2025 10:03

bananastraightener · 10/10/2025 09:32

It's definitely because of people who support trans rights that this girl killed herself, and not because of the massive reduction in trans healthcare?

The truth twisting on here is breathtaking when a young girl has died and you're using it to score points. Disgusting. You're so far down the rabbit hole of obsession and hatred that you can't go back.

This boy should never have been led to believe that his problems would be solved by stopping puberty.

Children must be allowed to grow up and their brains to develop fully.

Trans activists sell the idea that stopping puberty is a positive and only solution for kids with gender dysphoria. It isn’t. Trans activists also breach all the guidelines around talking about suicide so we can now see the results in action.

You might not like to hear the truth but it is what it is.

CautiousLurker01 · 10/10/2025 10:18

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 09/10/2025 18:32

The waiting lists for CAMHS are appalling and services still not much good when they finally arrive. Poor child and that poor family.

Agree - when my child was referred to the Tavistock NO OTHER treatment was offered because as soon as you say ‘trans’ no-one else will step in to support or even assess for anxiety/depression/autism/any other MH issue etc. The wait for mine was over 4 years and she never actually crossed the threshold as it was closed down and then she aged out of the child-centred facilities. Fortunately we are comfortably off and were able to find private therapists, but for families without those resources they are left adrift in a referral limbo that does not see the child or family getting any support whatsoever.

CAMHS is a joke - it’s underfunded, captured [the lack of referral to other practitioners is in part due to the affirmation model that kicks in as soon as the magic word ‘trans’ is uttered], bureaucratic and totally unfit for purpose.

This child should have had support and therapy as soon as the referral was received. I hope heads roll.

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 10:27

‘gender dysphoria treatment’

I wonder what exactly is ‘gender dysphoria treatment’?

It should be psychological help for the patient. To go through mental health, sexual feelings acceptance. They don’t need to trans the gay away. They often have autism, is this treated. Etc. We all know.

But the trans lobby have decided that’s ’conversion therapy’. They disgust me, so much hurt, and as we can see here worse, on their hands.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 10:30

bananastraightener · 10/10/2025 09:32

It's definitely because of people who support trans rights that this girl killed herself, and not because of the massive reduction in trans healthcare?

The truth twisting on here is breathtaking when a young girl has died and you're using it to score points. Disgusting. You're so far down the rabbit hole of obsession and hatred that you can't go back.

The ONLY acceptable answer to the case is to say how dreadful Mental Health Services are in the UK and how appalling amplication of messages about suicide and encouraging suicide are.

It is AGAINST good practice reporting guidelines to report suicide in a way that might weaponise it, lead to others copycatting or otherwise encourage it.

These are the Samaritans key points in their Suicide Media Reporting Guidelines

10 things to remember when reporting suicide
1 Avoid reporting methods of suicide in articles, such as describing someone as having died by hanging, particularly in headlines.

2 Include references to suicide being preventable and signpost sources of support, such as Samaritans’ helpline. This can encourage people to seek help, which could save lives. When life is difficult, Samaritans are here – day
or night, 365 days a year. You can call them for free on 116 123, email them at [email protected], or visit www.samaritans.org to find your nearest branch.

3 Avoid dramatic headlines and strong terms such as ‘suicide epidemic’. Never suggest that someone died instantly or that their death was quick, easy, painless, inevitable or a solution to their problems. Steer clear of language that sensationalises or glorifies suicide.

4 Don’t refer to a specific site or location as popular or known for suicides, for example, ‘notorious site’ or ‘hot spot’ and refrain from providing information, such as the height of a bridge or cliff.

5 Avoid dramatic, emotive or sensational pictures or video footage. Excessive imagery can glamourise a death and lead vulnerable individuals to over-identify with the deceased.

6 Avoid excessive amounts of coverage and overly prominent placement of stories, such as a front page splash or making it a lead story, and do not link to previous stories about suicide.

7 Treat social media with particular caution and avoid mentioning or linking to comments, or websites/forums that promote or glamourise suicide. Similarly, it is safer not to open comments sections on suicide stories and careful consideration should be given around the appropriateness of promoting stories through push notifications.

8 Including content from suicide notes or similar messages left by a person who has died should be avoided. They can increase the likelihood of people identifying with the deceased. It may also romanticise a suicide or cause distress to the bereaved family and friends.

9 Speculation about the ‘trigger’ or cause of a suicide can oversimplify the issue and should be avoided. Suicide is extremely complex and most of the time there is no single event or factor that leads someone to take their own life.

10 Young people are more susceptible to suicide contagion. When covering the
death of a young person, do not give undue prominence to the story or repeat the use of photographs, including galleries. Don’t use emotive, romanticised language or images – a sensitive, factual approach is much safer. Coverage that reflects the wider issues around suicide, including that it is preventable, can help reduce the risk of suicidal behaviour. Include clear and direct references to resources and support organisations

The headline alone 'Girl, 17, took own life waiting for gender dysphoria treatment' fails to meet the guidelines. It is sensationalist and over simplistic.

The article fails overall on numerous accounts.

The scandal of the Tavistock was in part due to the sheer complexity of the issues of the majority of those refered to it - that was part of the problem. It was a failure of wider mental health services. Blaming the Tavistock waiting list is wholly inadequate in itself but this article is lazy in failing to adequately explain the closure of the Tavi.

Reporting that the coroner said “Having to battle with changes to her body without receiving the necessary preventative treatment, together with the many hurdles and setbacks, gradually eroded her belief that she would succeed and everything would be alright,” Mr Walker said. This actually fails point 3 about death being 'inevitable'.

The article has no links to support organisations.

The article has a comment section available (though thankfully no one has). It should have been actively disabled.

But its far from this article thats the over reaching problem.

Many of the pro-trans organisations have actively promoted messages along the lines of 'better a trans daughter than a dead son'. Thanks Susie. Again failure of the guidelines and irresponsible handling of media and communications.

NONE of this is about 'hate'. All of this is about poor practice and a lack of safeguarding best practice when it comes to talking about suicide.

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/suicide-facts-journalists/

Suicide is complex and most of the time there isn’t one event or factor that leads someone to take their own life. It is usually a combination of lots of different factors interacting with each other to increase risk. A combination of individual, community, and societal factors contribute to the risk of suicide.

and

Only a third of people who die by suicide have been in contact with specialist mental health services in the year before their death.

Samaritans' media guidelines for reporting suicide

Our guidance offers practical advice and tips on how to safely cover the topic of suicide in the media. Download our media guidelines and read our best practice tips here.

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/

Ivyy · 10/10/2025 10:52

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 10:30

The ONLY acceptable answer to the case is to say how dreadful Mental Health Services are in the UK and how appalling amplication of messages about suicide and encouraging suicide are.

It is AGAINST good practice reporting guidelines to report suicide in a way that might weaponise it, lead to others copycatting or otherwise encourage it.

These are the Samaritans key points in their Suicide Media Reporting Guidelines

10 things to remember when reporting suicide
1 Avoid reporting methods of suicide in articles, such as describing someone as having died by hanging, particularly in headlines.

2 Include references to suicide being preventable and signpost sources of support, such as Samaritans’ helpline. This can encourage people to seek help, which could save lives. When life is difficult, Samaritans are here – day
or night, 365 days a year. You can call them for free on 116 123, email them at [email protected], or visit www.samaritans.org to find your nearest branch.

3 Avoid dramatic headlines and strong terms such as ‘suicide epidemic’. Never suggest that someone died instantly or that their death was quick, easy, painless, inevitable or a solution to their problems. Steer clear of language that sensationalises or glorifies suicide.

4 Don’t refer to a specific site or location as popular or known for suicides, for example, ‘notorious site’ or ‘hot spot’ and refrain from providing information, such as the height of a bridge or cliff.

5 Avoid dramatic, emotive or sensational pictures or video footage. Excessive imagery can glamourise a death and lead vulnerable individuals to over-identify with the deceased.

6 Avoid excessive amounts of coverage and overly prominent placement of stories, such as a front page splash or making it a lead story, and do not link to previous stories about suicide.

7 Treat social media with particular caution and avoid mentioning or linking to comments, or websites/forums that promote or glamourise suicide. Similarly, it is safer not to open comments sections on suicide stories and careful consideration should be given around the appropriateness of promoting stories through push notifications.

8 Including content from suicide notes or similar messages left by a person who has died should be avoided. They can increase the likelihood of people identifying with the deceased. It may also romanticise a suicide or cause distress to the bereaved family and friends.

9 Speculation about the ‘trigger’ or cause of a suicide can oversimplify the issue and should be avoided. Suicide is extremely complex and most of the time there is no single event or factor that leads someone to take their own life.

10 Young people are more susceptible to suicide contagion. When covering the
death of a young person, do not give undue prominence to the story or repeat the use of photographs, including galleries. Don’t use emotive, romanticised language or images – a sensitive, factual approach is much safer. Coverage that reflects the wider issues around suicide, including that it is preventable, can help reduce the risk of suicidal behaviour. Include clear and direct references to resources and support organisations

The headline alone 'Girl, 17, took own life waiting for gender dysphoria treatment' fails to meet the guidelines. It is sensationalist and over simplistic.

The article fails overall on numerous accounts.

The scandal of the Tavistock was in part due to the sheer complexity of the issues of the majority of those refered to it - that was part of the problem. It was a failure of wider mental health services. Blaming the Tavistock waiting list is wholly inadequate in itself but this article is lazy in failing to adequately explain the closure of the Tavi.

Reporting that the coroner said “Having to battle with changes to her body without receiving the necessary preventative treatment, together with the many hurdles and setbacks, gradually eroded her belief that she would succeed and everything would be alright,” Mr Walker said. This actually fails point 3 about death being 'inevitable'.

The article has no links to support organisations.

The article has a comment section available (though thankfully no one has). It should have been actively disabled.

But its far from this article thats the over reaching problem.

Many of the pro-trans organisations have actively promoted messages along the lines of 'better a trans daughter than a dead son'. Thanks Susie. Again failure of the guidelines and irresponsible handling of media and communications.

NONE of this is about 'hate'. All of this is about poor practice and a lack of safeguarding best practice when it comes to talking about suicide.

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/suicide-facts-journalists/

Suicide is complex and most of the time there isn’t one event or factor that leads someone to take their own life. It is usually a combination of lots of different factors interacting with each other to increase risk. A combination of individual, community, and societal factors contribute to the risk of suicide.

and

Only a third of people who die by suicide have been in contact with specialist mental health services in the year before their death.

Shocked this article hasn’t had multiple complaints and been taken down or edited to meet the guidelines. I knew there were guidelines but this is the first time I’ve seen them detailed, so thank you for sharing this info. If we
lodge complaints I wonder if they’d edit the article?

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 11:06

The website has a logo right at the bottom. It says its IPSO regulated.

Here is the IPSO Reporting Suicides guidance

https://www.ipso.co.uk/resources-guidance/advice-and-information-for-the-public/reporting-suicide-information/

It doesn't go as far as the Samaritans guidance. However it DOES give links to organisations who can help and it DOES say

Suicide is a serious public health issue. It is in the public interest that journalists report on stories involving suicide accurately and responsibly.

and

By responsibly reporting on suicide, the press can:

  • Raise awareness of a significant public health issue.
  • Encourage people to seek help and signpost sources of support.
  • Help prevent suicide and save lives.

Journalists must take special care in reporting on suicide. We work with expert organisations to produce guidance for journalists, to ensure their reporting is as responsible as possible.

So yes, I would argue that there's enough problems with the article to merit complaint.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 11:07

At the VERY LEAST they should be including a link along the lines of 'if you have been affected by any of the issues in this article you can contact this organisation for help and support about suicide' tbh.

singthing · 10/10/2025 11:11

You can feel the glee emanating from TRAs like week-old BO in their rush to use this young girl's death for their own purposes.

BundleBoogie · 10/10/2025 11:21

Ivyy · 10/10/2025 10:52

Shocked this article hasn’t had multiple complaints and been taken down or edited to meet the guidelines. I knew there were guidelines but this is the first time I’ve seen them detailed, so thank you for sharing this info. If we
lodge complaints I wonder if they’d edit the article?

In the past it has very much felt like a certain topic gets a special exemption from these rules for *reasons.

I’m fairly sure IPSO was captured by the trans activists some time ago.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 10/10/2025 11:22

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 10:27

‘gender dysphoria treatment’

I wonder what exactly is ‘gender dysphoria treatment’?

It should be psychological help for the patient. To go through mental health, sexual feelings acceptance. They don’t need to trans the gay away. They often have autism, is this treated. Etc. We all know.

But the trans lobby have decided that’s ’conversion therapy’. They disgust me, so much hurt, and as we can see here worse, on their hands.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Taking hormones to change appearance or having surgery on one's body is not a treatment for a mental illness.

ghostofadog · 10/10/2025 11:33

How terribly sad that this child was told the solution was to wait for gender treatment instead of having their mental health issues treated immediately. Trans activism is entirely to blame for this and there needs to be accountability from the clinicians involved.

ThatBlackCat · 10/10/2025 12:35

These girls are being told that there is a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way to be a girl, in addition to trying to outrun their female oppression, which they never can. They need medication and therapy preferably in a mental health hospital. They don't need toxic and dangerous drugs and reverse-hormones. They don't need to be sterilised and made urinary and faecally incontinent due to a mental health issue.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 10/10/2025 13:08

bananastraightener · 10/10/2025 09:32

It's definitely because of people who support trans rights that this girl killed herself, and not because of the massive reduction in trans healthcare?

The truth twisting on here is breathtaking when a young girl has died and you're using it to score points. Disgusting. You're so far down the rabbit hole of obsession and hatred that you can't go back.

The truth is that this young man should never have been led to believe that he could change sex, and the people that are ‘so far down the rabbit hole of obsession and hatred’ are those who are peddling this homophobic, misogynistic ideology to young people. How anyone can stand back and agree that medically mutilating young people, either through surgery or puberty blockers, is an antidote to mental distress, is beyond me. It’s positively inhumane.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 13:23

Further points in the Samaritans guidance

Combining references to perceived ‘triggers’, for example debt problems, with descriptions of an easy to imitate suicide method in the same report could put people who are vulnerable and experiencing similar problems, at greater risk.

Steer clear of presenting suicidal behaviour as an understandable response to a crisis or adversity. This can contribute to unhelpful and risky normalising of suicide as an appropriate response to distress.

Research shows that the more sensationalised the reporting, the greater the potential impact on suicidal behaviour.
Take care not to sensationalise any aspect of a story. Breaking news, instant publishing, social media reach and competition for clicks can all place journalists under increased pressure when producing reports, increasing the possibility of sensational coverage.
Before publishing, consider if the draft headline or sub-headline dramatises the story, includes the suicide method, or uses emotive or sensationalist terms.

Whenever possible, refer to the wider issues associated with suicide, such as risk factors like mental health problems, alcohol and substance misuse and deprivation. Refer to the long-term impact that a suicide can have on the bereaved. Informed discussion of such issues can encourage a better understanding of suicide.

Include references in stories to suicide being preventable and mention when possible that sources of support, such as Samaritans, are available and easy to access. This can have a positive impact on vulnerable individuals, including encouraging them to seek help.

Avoid opening up stories about suicide for comments
There is a risk that comments alongside articles will romanticise suicidal behaviour, for example references to a person going to ‘a better place’ or ‘heaven gained another angel’. Some individuals may use comment sections to share their experiences of suicide attempts or self-harm, which may influence some people who are vulnerable. Comments may also lead to inaccurate speculation about a cause or method of suicide and have the potential to be inappropriate or offensive to family and friends

Their bold.

usedtobeaylis · 10/10/2025 13:26

This is supposed to be exactly what was supposed to change - young people NOT being funneled down one pre-determined pathway and the whole person being treated. Tragic.

OriginalUsername2 · 10/10/2025 13:33

This is such unclear reporting - the article, not OP - 9/10 people on this thread think this is about a girl wanting to be a boy. It’s the opposite.

Wowthatwasabigstep · 10/10/2025 14:32

I feel like I live in a parallel universe or maybe I am too old for utter bollocks. This was a boy who perhaps back in the day may have been described as a sensitive child who struggled to fit in with the rufty tufty boys playing rugby and would maybe have gravitated towards music, the arts or other such creative avenues.

Instead his brain was filled with the utter nonsense that he could become a girl and all his problems were the result of that struggle. Mutilation, life long hormones and an echo chamber of affirming words were what he could expect in this perceived utopia.

Time for society to collectively stop with the lies, there are two sexes you can’t move to the other, if you think you can you need your head to be examined or for people not to be too scared to put their head above the parapet and tell young people to get a bloody grip.

isthesolution · 10/10/2025 14:35

Banning social media would go a long way to helping in such situations. Very sad.

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