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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Babies with no biological mother - breakthrough for male same-sex couples, or further erasure of women?

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usernamealreadytaken · 01/10/2025 10:34

I just read what I think is a very scary article regarding the process of mitomeiosis, where skin cells can be used to create an "egg" which can be fertilised by sperm. The skin can come from a man or woman, which enables the person to have a genetic relationship to a baby, where they have no egg. I can totally see the benefits for women who have no eggs, or are infertile due to medical issues such as cancer treatment, but am I the only one who fears this is just another way for male same-sex couples to have children, and the only need for a woman in the process will be to carry the pregnancy?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/30/babies-could-be-born-without-mothers/#:~:text=Babies%20could%20be%20born%20without%20a%20biological%20mother%20after%20scientists,sex%20cell%20ready%20for%20fertilisation.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/30/babies-could-be-born-without-mothers#:~:text=Babies%20could%20be%20born%20without%20a%20biological%20mother%20after%20scientists,sex%20cell%20ready%20for%20fertilisation.

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Mapletree1985 · 04/12/2025 05:53

Crushed23 · 03/12/2025 14:39

I don’t see what’s wrong with this. If two men in a same sex couple want to both be genetically related to their baby, it’s great that the medical advancements now exist / will exist to allow them to do that.

You don't see anything problematic with the statement: "If a person wants something that violates the rights of another person, it's great that science can provide that for them."?

It is a violation of human rights to subject people to human experimentation, and producing a child in an unnatural way is a human experiment that does not end with the child's birth. Sometimes we have to accept that we cannot have what we want, no matter how badly we want it. The world would be a happier place if more people could do this.

NumbersGuy · 04/12/2025 06:20

With this being off by several years, since they stated only 9% actually survived without abnormalities during their experiment, it sounds like the idea of creating "designer babies" because of their ability of "alternatives" to people (same-sex male couples, infertile women, and single parents). As well as the ability to cherry pick what type of child should and shouldn't have. It almost sounds like they're trying to play "God" in this scenario, and there needs to be laws put in place because the legal field is constantly trying to catch up with science going further than what anyone expects to happen. What is surprising, is that the foster system in any country is often unsustainable and never properly funded, but this is something people are pushing for as they believe it'll be just like buying a car or clothing - just like ordering something off of Amazon. If we can't take care of the unwanted children now, how can this even be considered a worthwhile option to create?

Missey85 · 04/12/2025 08:07

This already exists it's how Neil Patrick Harris had his twins 😊 he used both his and his husband's sperm to conceive ❤️

PigeonsandSquirrels · 04/12/2025 08:34

TempestTost · 01/10/2025 10:37

I don't see this as erasure of women any more than the ability to make a baby from two eggs was the erasure of men.

To me this comes down to what it means for the child. So I would say it does mean the erasure of mothers and fathers, which is a bad thing imo. Some may disagree.

But it is also experimenting in the most invasive possible way on children which is not at all ethical.

I mean presumably if it’s a man’s skin cells then it can only make male babies… they only carry the XY pair.

GovernmentFundedSteak · 04/12/2025 08:38

Missey85 · 04/12/2025 08:07

This already exists it's how Neil Patrick Harris had his twins 😊 he used both his and his husband's sperm to conceive ❤️

Erm... they also used some eggs. You know, from women.

usernamealreadytaken · 04/12/2025 08:47

Missey85 · 04/12/2025 08:07

This already exists it's how Neil Patrick Harris had his twins 😊 he used both his and his husband's sperm to conceive ❤️

Er…
Neil Patrick Harris has twins, a daughter named Harper Grace and a son named Gideon Scott, with his husband David Burtka. They were born in 2010 via surrogacy, using two eggs, one fertilized with Harris's sperm and the other with Burtka's

No sperm slicing, no “creating an egg” without a woman; each man is genetically related to one child, not both, and a woman donated eggs. “Normal” surrogacy (that’s a whole other debate), not frankenbabies.

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=David+Burtka&client=safari&sca_esv=e0ee5455e7f1c925&sxsrf=AE3TifOobixM9F8iUCi_Ml4DgHs4XzxyHQ%3A1764837812729&ei=tEkxaZmWLJK2hbIP0M6T-Aw&ved=2ahUKEwjW2LeZxaORAxVsVUEAHYIPAu8QgK4QegYIAQgAEAQ&uact=5&oq=neil+patrick+harris+twins&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGW5laWwgcGF0cmljayBoYXJyaXMgdHdpbnMyCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyChAAGIAEGBQYhwIyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARIyRJQ9wZYoRFwAXgBkAEAmAFaoAGCA6oBATa4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegArADwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDRAAGIAEGLADGEMYigXCAg4QABiwAxjkAhjWBNgBAcICExAuGIAEGLADGEMYyAMYigXYAQHCAggQABiABBixA5gDAIgGAZAGELoGBggBEAEYCZIHAzYuMaAHsCWyBwM1LjG4B6kDwgcHMC4xLjUuMcgHIA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfDFspSCepqnJbyFc6MrBhsm_ba2ZqFWCEzfDj5M-rZTBznPn5ALBVROAH1DU4yHBpmeBjThZ0-SUD5OgCi6Q-nD1L-LFRmD54u4ieDXVMi7OpVE7xZZM0vKEJdYTCSSzw6kTRexdAGL5mcGiwaZcV8d4r6NKjedUIcLjsekeMjf-GNeZ1Y8LjmdwppjRT49kPz77bfx81CVtHyYOWpkclShAVU4LYIIA1QV4VWA0uhXaoOT_KKXpBPAX0e9oZmz98aan2QHzqUMasIDbMlT-YeY&csui=3

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usernamealreadytaken · 04/12/2025 08:48

PigeonsandSquirrels · 04/12/2025 08:34

I mean presumably if it’s a man’s skin cells then it can only make male babies… they only carry the XY pair.

If they can make an “egg” from skin, I'm sure messing with some chromosomes will be no issue at all for them. Duplicate the X, remove the Y.

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GovernmentFundedSteak · 04/12/2025 09:10

PigeonsandSquirrels · 04/12/2025 08:34

I mean presumably if it’s a man’s skin cells then it can only make male babies… they only carry the XY pair.

Unless ive misunderstood genetics, you inherit the x or the y. Not both. So you could get an x from each man. Presumably they could choose.

RNApolymerase · 04/12/2025 15:57

Yes but - in the original news story about this they say that to get an egg cell from a skin cell they do this mitomeiosis thing. This involves removing 23 of the 46 chromosomes, so that the cell now has 23.
However, this technique just ditches 23 at random, when what you really, crucially in fact need to do is take one from each pair. Or else you'll be left with some chromosomes missing entirely and some in sets of three (trisomy).
This is a fairly significant problem that sort of got skimmed over in the news report.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2vyee0zlo

Carla786 · 05/12/2025 15:24

PigeonsandSquirrels · 04/12/2025 08:34

I mean presumably if it’s a man’s skin cells then it can only make male babies… they only carry the XY pair.

Yes,,but whatever the ethics of the procedure otherwise - dubious- they seem to plan to apply it to both genders.

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