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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
RedToothBrush · 01/10/2025 00:04

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 30/09/2025 20:49

In the SNP's eyes, everything is Westminster's fault. Seen through that prism, everything else makes sense.

I misread this post as.

"In the SNP's eyes, everything is Westminster's fault. seen through the pram, everything else makes sense".

I'm not sure I lost the meaning.

NumberTheory · 01/10/2025 01:11

The Scottish government’s budget is over £60 Billion isn’t it? And didn’t the whole ferry fiasco cost nearly half a billion?

But £90 million to ensure they are compliant with equality laws they’ve been trying to skirt for a decade is something they just can’t manage?

They sound like big babies. And some of their moves were clearly illegal and failed their constituents before the SC ruling made clear what should be done.

I do wonder though, the extent to which central government needs to find the money to help councils (and maybe businesses) adjust. It wasn’t just Stonewall that pushed illegal practice. The EHRC pumped out disinformation on how businesses and service providers should treat trans folk for years.

OldCrone · 01/10/2025 03:54

This bit doesn't make sense.

Trans pupils will not be forced to use lavatories that match their biological sex, meaning alternatives should be provided.

Why do they need alternatives? Children who identify as "trans" cannot legally have medical treatment to make their bodies look like the opposite sex, so there's no ambiguity about their sex, so why can't they just use the toilets for their sex?

RealFeminist · 01/10/2025 07:29

BaseDrops · 30/09/2025 23:38

Jeebus.

Bit we wur telt that the stunnin’ brave sparkly trans bairns wid be sad if we didn’t build schools to suit them. We thocht that naybdy wid be so mean as to upset a trans bairn, and if they did we wid jist hud up photies of glittery smiley trans bairns and aubdy wid go ahh right enough. Canny believe that nasty wimmin have put the kybosh on it.

Draft statement from SNP in response to the costs to make school buildings legally compliant.

QUITE RIGHT HEN
WE CANNAE BE SPENDIN AW THIS ON WUMMEN WE NEED THE CASH FIR OOR QUANGAROES

Rightsraptor · 01/10/2025 08:08

I am a bit concerned that there could be a legal case against the EHRC because, unless I've misunderstood (quite possible), their first guidance did get the law wrong to some extent. This would have swayed policy decisions, I imagine.

Whatever, the first port of call for money should be those organisations who were pushing this dangerous ideology with tax payers' money on both sides of the border.

Rightsraptor · 01/10/2025 08:09

I love your draft statement from the SNP, @BaseDrops - I'm snorting coffee here

Igneococcus · 01/10/2025 08:27

Maybe @RealFeminist you could chip in some cash from the money you made with your memoir?

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Bobiverse · 01/10/2025 08:44

OldCrone · 01/10/2025 03:54

This bit doesn't make sense.

Trans pupils will not be forced to use lavatories that match their biological sex, meaning alternatives should be provided.

Why do they need alternatives? Children who identify as "trans" cannot legally have medical treatment to make their bodies look like the opposite sex, so there's no ambiguity about their sex, so why can't they just use the toilets for their sex?

They’re being forced to provide separate male and female toilets, but it’s Scotland and policy makers are still very much captured and want to “be kind” so, in addition to the male and female toilets, they want to add in gender neutral toilets which need to be floor to ceiling doors with the toilet and sink contained within.

There is also the issue that a lot of new build over the last decade were built with only one big room of toilets and it was called gender neutral, but as the sinks are not within the full enclosed toilet cubicle, they actually cannot be called gender neutral. So a whole separate toilet block needs to be build or they need to build a wall through the one they have to provide a male and female space. Then also build proper gender neutral ones again.

It isn’t as simply as just changing the signs when they’re trying to still follow gender ideology but have been forced to provide single sex toilets.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2025 08:47

WandaSiri · 30/09/2025 20:04

It didn't cost £90 million to change the signs and it won't cost £90 million to change them back and add a few unisex toilets which the special men won't use anyway.
Just a novel form of foot-dragging.

This.

Bobiverse · 01/10/2025 08:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2025 08:47

This.

It’s not just changing signs. Lots of buildings now only have one set of toilets. Normal cubicles and a row of sinks. These were built and called gender neutral. They are not legal.

All those buildings now need to have another set of toilets built so one can be male and one can be female. The SNP then also want to add in a third, proper gender neutral with the toilet and sink fully enclosed in it’s won cubicle.

They cent just change signs because the buildings don’t physically have two sets of toilets. They need whole new rooms fitted out.

RealFeminist · 01/10/2025 09:55

Igneococcus · 01/10/2025 08:27

Maybe @RealFeminist you could chip in some cash from the money you made with your memoir?

AHVE MADE FUCK ALL AND I HUD TAE BUY SHOES ANAW

RealFeminist · 01/10/2025 09:56

PAYIN TAE MAKE AW THESE QUANGOROS LOOK GOOD IS A SMALL FORTUNE

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/quangos-scotland-anger-over-lavish-ps120m-quango-bill-on-public-relations-and-consultants-4620460

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2025 10:03

Bobiverse · 01/10/2025 08:50

It’s not just changing signs. Lots of buildings now only have one set of toilets. Normal cubicles and a row of sinks. These were built and called gender neutral. They are not legal.

All those buildings now need to have another set of toilets built so one can be male and one can be female. The SNP then also want to add in a third, proper gender neutral with the toilet and sink fully enclosed in it’s won cubicle.

They cent just change signs because the buildings don’t physically have two sets of toilets. They need whole new rooms fitted out.

How did they get building regs approval for that?

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 01/10/2025 10:05

Uggbootsforever · 30/09/2025 20:03

God forbid the Scots pay for anything themselves

Us Scots pay plenty of tax thanks, ugg

RealFeminist · 01/10/2025 10:05

THIS LOT HUV TOOK 1.8 MILL LAST YEAR

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC244805/filing-history

RealFeminist · 01/10/2025 10:09

HERE, HOW COME ELLIE GOMERSAL GOT THE BOOT FAE EQUALITY NEWTORK IN JUNE?

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC220213/filing-history

WandaSiri · 01/10/2025 10:54

Bobiverse · 01/10/2025 08:44

They’re being forced to provide separate male and female toilets, but it’s Scotland and policy makers are still very much captured and want to “be kind” so, in addition to the male and female toilets, they want to add in gender neutral toilets which need to be floor to ceiling doors with the toilet and sink contained within.

There is also the issue that a lot of new build over the last decade were built with only one big room of toilets and it was called gender neutral, but as the sinks are not within the full enclosed toilet cubicle, they actually cannot be called gender neutral. So a whole separate toilet block needs to be build or they need to build a wall through the one they have to provide a male and female space. Then also build proper gender neutral ones again.

It isn’t as simply as just changing the signs when they’re trying to still follow gender ideology but have been forced to provide single sex toilets.

Thanks.
It's obviously not the most important harm caused by GII, but the sheer amount of money that has been wasted on this nonsense makes my blood boil.

WandaSiri · 01/10/2025 10:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2025 10:03

How did they get building regs approval for that?

Very good question.

AnSolas · 01/10/2025 11:49

OldCrone · 01/10/2025 03:54

This bit doesn't make sense.

Trans pupils will not be forced to use lavatories that match their biological sex, meaning alternatives should be provided.

Why do they need alternatives? Children who identify as "trans" cannot legally have medical treatment to make their bodies look like the opposite sex, so there's no ambiguity about their sex, so why can't they just use the toilets for their sex?

Its the idea that
• mixed women toilets with boys is good for boys.
• mixed mens toilets with girls are safe for girls.
• single sex toilets are bad and dangerous

SerendipityJane · 01/10/2025 11:50

betterBeElwinNextIGuess · 30/09/2025 18:22

I mean, the alternative is that just Scottish taxpayers pay this bill, so as one of those I should welcome this, but... Lol!

Why should Scottish taxpayers not pay for their governments actions ?

Uggbootsforever · 01/10/2025 11:53

SerendipityJane · 01/10/2025 11:50

Why should Scottish taxpayers not pay for their governments actions ?

They want the English to pay. Like every other country who also doesn’t like us!

Disclaimer: this does not apply to all Scottish people

betterBeElwinNextIGuess · 01/10/2025 12:00

SerendipityJane · 01/10/2025 11:50

Why should Scottish taxpayers not pay for their governments actions ?

I very much didn't say they shouldn't. Though any situation where a national government is responsible for some things, and a supranational government is responsible for other things, and the responsibilities are inter-dependent, is bound to be complicated. It might be argued that, if the Scottish government had had its unimpeded way, there would be no need for this expense, because we'd have self-id.

Uggbootsforever · 01/10/2025 12:09

betterBeElwinNextIGuess · 01/10/2025 12:00

I very much didn't say they shouldn't. Though any situation where a national government is responsible for some things, and a supranational government is responsible for other things, and the responsibilities are inter-dependent, is bound to be complicated. It might be argued that, if the Scottish government had had its unimpeded way, there would be no need for this expense, because we'd have self-id.

But the Scottish government is supposed to be in control of all internal budgets. This falls under that umbrella. It’s not supposed to be complicated, it’s quite clear. The SNP has spent beyond its means and always tried to cover this up by making out they want Westminster to pay for some kind of ‘moral’ reason when actually they’re skint

SinnerBoy · 01/10/2025 13:32

Six grand on a hairdo and makeover? Jeez, I hope she paid for that herself!

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