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Civil Service staff networks to only meet outside working hours and have all events signed off by senior managers

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IwantToRetire · 24/09/2025 19:05

New rules have been issued to all Civil Service staff networks to ensure their activities remain within the Civil Service Code.

Read in full at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/civil-service-staff-networks-to-only-meet-outside-working-hours-and-have-all-events-signed-off-by-senior-managers

Civil Service staff networks to only meet outside working hours and have all events signed off by senior managers

New rules have been issued to all Civil Service staff networks to ensure their activities remain within the Civil Service Code. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/civil-service-staff-networks-to-only-meet-outside-working-hours-and-have-all-events-signed-off-by-senior-managers

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ChocolateTriflefortwo · 25/09/2025 21:32

PollyNomial · 25/09/2025 20:50

Do the people running the IT infrastructure of the department of health and social care determine the services we receive? No. Or maybe those who study various nasty things at UKHSA? Again, no.

Only the SCS have some influence and even then they can't go against government directives, which is why we left the EU even though most CS were remain.

The people running IT determine how data is recorded - including recording Gender rather than sex, and requests for ‘preferred pronouns’. Once these things are baked into the data system it is very difficult to get the system to consider sex or eg single sex spaces of for equality monitoring purposes.

These groups are also lobbying senior civil servants and embedding their belief through training which goes against the law. Or the insert information into reports or codes of practice that hugely impact services such as ‘Appendix B’ that removed single sex wards, or the Bench Book that required rape victims to refer their male rapists as ‘she’ (and get recorded as such in the IT system).

As for going against government directives - we see this constantly. Just look how few organisations have implemented the Supreme Court judgement.

RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 00:00

This is a much spicer thread that the other one!

IwantToRetire · 26/09/2025 00:53

RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 00:00

This is a much spicer thread that the other one!

Spicier?

I must be missing the double entendre Blush

I thought we were having a serious discussion about professional non biased public servants. Confused

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RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 07:51

IwantToRetire · 26/09/2025 00:53

Spicier?

I must be missing the double entendre Blush

I thought we were having a serious discussion about professional non biased public servants. Confused

Spicy = lots of hot takes, strong criticism, and arguments.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 26/09/2025 12:30

This thread ate and left no crumbs, eh? Slay, fam.

RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 12:58

Some of us use modern slang too, Goody Pete. 😁

IwantToRetire · 26/09/2025 17:03

RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 07:51

Spicy = lots of hot takes, strong criticism, and arguments.

Thanks - although it is often said that the US and the UK are 2 countries separated by a common language, there is no doubt that even in are smaller popultion there are many, many occassions when a word thought by the speaker to be innoncent turns out to be anything but.

Confused
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AnnaFrith · 26/09/2025 17:22

NotAtMyAge · 25/09/2025 10:18

There should be no "search and replace" when it comes to accurate language about maternity or any other issue relating to the female sex. On the other hand, "search and add", in the sense of saying "women and transmen/NB" where female health and maternity services are concerned, would be an excellent thing. The same should apply to male-specific health issues, with information about prostate cancer specifying both men and transwomen, but that somehow doesn't tend to happen.

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When the NHS uses this language it gives authority to the idea that women who identify as 'transmen' or 'non-binary' are not women, and that having such an identity is something that society should recognise and accord respect, rather than treating it as a symptom of a mental health problem.

This in turn encourages distressed and vulnerable young people to seek cosmetic body modifications that will permanently damage their health, rather than the psychological therapy that might actually help them.

The NHS should not be supporting this nonsensical and damaging ideology in any way at all.

AnnaFrith · 26/09/2025 17:26

PollyNomial · 25/09/2025 09:36

I can't but help note that this "owning the trans activists" measure now means that parent networks (read mums networks) have to meet after work at the same time as looking after children. Victory!

They could use their lunch breaks.
None of these 'networks' should ever have been meeting in worktime, because it's not part of the job they're being paid to do.

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 17:31

AnnaFrith · 26/09/2025 17:22

When the NHS uses this language it gives authority to the idea that women who identify as 'transmen' or 'non-binary' are not women, and that having such an identity is something that society should recognise and accord respect, rather than treating it as a symptom of a mental health problem.

This in turn encourages distressed and vulnerable young people to seek cosmetic body modifications that will permanently damage their health, rather than the psychological therapy that might actually help them.

The NHS should not be supporting this nonsensical and damaging ideology in any way at all.

I actually agree with you, but in the captured state of today's NHS, my suggestion surely has to be preferable to the suggested removal of any reference to women. You can't honestly prefer a reference to "everyone with a cervix" or "anyone who menstruates" - or the Bristol Council's new preferred term "people with ovaries" - or can you?

AnnaFrith · 26/09/2025 17:36

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 17:31

I actually agree with you, but in the captured state of today's NHS, my suggestion surely has to be preferable to the suggested removal of any reference to women. You can't honestly prefer a reference to "everyone with a cervix" or "anyone who menstruates" - or the Bristol Council's new preferred term "people with ovaries" - or can you?

I think they're equally bad to be honest.
One implies that women are unmentionable, and the other that we're just a state of mind.

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