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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have we reached the tipping point?

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ItsCoolForCats · 16/08/2025 10:09

It seems that 'no debate' is dead. And now that TRAs can no longer suppress and silence women from talking about their rights, the general public has woken up to what has been going on.

I think there are many people who aren't that interested in the whole issue of sex v gender identity, but many of these people will be horrified at the suppression of lawful free speech and at the overreach and aggressive behaviour of activists. And people really don't like bullies.

And the media is finally stating to report more widely on the issue. I listened to Front Row on Radio 4 recently, and the presenter repeatedly pushed back at the organiser of Edinburgh Book Festival for her decision to not include any GC authors. I'm not sure that would have happened a year ago. And the Scottish media (with a notable exception) seem pretty determined to expose the bullying tactics of activists within Scottish Institutions. I'm feeling hopeful that in this new climate, more high profile people will speak up and refuse to be bullied.

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ForestAtTheSea · 16/08/2025 16:34

"'Women' just aren't seen as a group worthy of consideration in the way that 'marginalised' men are."
@ArabellaScott

"However, I think it's always going to be uncomfortable to fight for women's rights and many people will always find it easier to make life convenient for men."
@Merrymouse

"It’s so weird how they could be mistaken for threatening, misogynistic incels if you didn’t know they’re the most vulnerable, marginalised group™️ in the world."
JKR
https://nitter.poast.org/jk_rowling/status/1956640145890799922#m

(with photographic illustration)

If I hear one more time "most marginalized people" ....

I find the discussion around women's rights, which are achieved and thus women could relax, very relevant. This in combination with men, who would never voluntarily cede ground, is a volatile and always evolving situation.

Women stand back, now we have equality (in rich / democratic countries at least), no need to be so vigilant anymore. If it hadn't been trans rights movement, possibly another influence would have been bigger (tradwife, religious conservatism and others).

Women should be aware that there is always danger of restriction or removal of rights and that men (as a class, not your Nigel), are themselves constantly on watch for any interference with their turf. I would say that constant problems, such as availability and costs of childcare, which are current in many countries, are a sign of the political class not caring enough about it or maybe actively prioritizing other topics. Another constant problem is the care for elder people, which mostly women are taking on as unpaid or low-paid family help.

(if someone wishes to do this by their own volition, they of course should be free to do it, same as spending some years bringing up children. The point is that it should be a free choice, and you don't have free choice if you don't have any other option).

Thus I would say there are many ways in which politically or financially influential men are interfering with women's rights and choices, and if we wouldn't currently debating the TRA topic, we would probably deal with something else. It's neverending. However, this is certainly one of the most dangerous and important problems.

RethinkingLife · 16/08/2025 17:12

About the NHS and the way in which it supports my Cassandra-like perspectives.

Some of you may recall Michael Brady and his reassurances that listening to women was just a performative nuisance that he had to go through for a review of NHS England and single sex wards.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4506395-Fears-over-flawed-NHS-single-sex-wards-review-carried-out-by-trans-advocate

See what he’s heading up. What are the chances that this reinforces some hierarchies to the detriment of women’s rights.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2025/07/nhs-launches-first-ever-review-to-tackle-lgbt-health-inequalities/

The review is overdue and much needed. I struggle to accept that they couldn’t have done their due diligence and appointed somebody who doesn’t brag about discounting dissenting views.

NHS England » NHS launches first ever review to tackle LGBT+ health inequalities

NHS England » NHS launches first ever review to tackle LGBT+ health inequalities

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2025/07/nhs-launches-first-ever-review-to-tackle-lgbt-health-inequalities/

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