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I need help taking a complaint further.

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sashh · 06/08/2025 11:43

Do you remember I complained to the council about their consultation asking for 'gender ID'? Well today I got a reply. And I am not happy - please read and comment.

Corporate Stage 1 Complaint

Thank you for your recent complaint regardingquestions relating to gender as part of our equality monitoring. I apologise that you are dissatisfied with the service you have received from the City of Wolverhampton Council. I am sorry that on this occasion the service we provided did not meet your expectations; I have investigated what happened and can now reply as follows:

On your question about why the Council ask questions about gender identity, and why it is relevant, as part of the Public Sector Equality Duty, The City of Wolverhampton Council has a responsibility to ensure that we do not unfairly discriminate in the services we currently provide, or plan to provide. Therefore, by asking equality monitoring questions as part of our consultations, we can break down the responses we receive and assess whether any protected characteristics will be unfairly treated because of the proposal being consulted on and plan suitable adjustments accordingly.

The Equality Act 2010 recognises gender reassignment as a protected characteristic which has not changed following the Supreme Court ruling of For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers. We ask questions about gender so we can identify responses from this equality group to see if they are engaging with our consultations and check if this protected characteristic have identified any adverse impact in their response. This is why asking questions around gender is relevant.

Furthermore, our equality monitoring questions were developed to align with the questions asked as part of the Census 2021, which enables us to check if the responses we receive are representative of the diverse makeup of the City of Wolverhampton. As part of the Census 2021 individual questionnaire, question 27 was focussed on gender and therefore, this is another reason we ask a similar question as part of our monitoring.

On your concern about ensuring accuracy without a I don’t have a gender identity option, our equality monitoring questions are not usually mandatory on Citizen Space, so questions don’t need to be answered where someone feels the question is not relevant to their identity. Additionally, each will have a prefer not to say option to allow people to opt out of questions they don’t feel comfortable answering.

Therefore, we do not uphold the element of your complaint that we are discriminating against you or not processing your data correctly by including questions on gender in our consultations as there are opportunities to abstain from questions you do not want to answer.

On your question on why the Council does not ask questions about pregnancy or maternity, the council aligns our equality monitoring questions with the Census 2021, where the only question relating to maternity was an employment-based question which wouldn’t be relevant for the Council to ask as we do not gather data on employment as part of our equality monitoring questions on consultations.

If you are dissatisfied with this response and would like to request a further investigation, please contact the Customer Liaison Team in writing within 20 working days from the date of this letter as follows:

OP posts:
SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 14:59

Igmum · 06/08/2025 14:56

The design of Census 2021 was widely criticised, resulted in problematic responses and shamefully lost the ONS a valuable international accreditation. This was almost entirely the result of the questions about gender which many if not most respondents struggled to understand. It was widely reported and widely condemned. I’m amazed that anyone who has anything to do with survey design not only uses it but publicly admits to basing their own surveys on it. Pre-2021 that would have been normal practice. Post, given the issues, it really should not be.

Do they ask about sex?

A lot of forms use "gender" (commonly with a rider that it's "how do you identify" and have nothing for "sex" at all.

Even the governments own page to apply for a blue badge.

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 15:07

⚖️ Legal Context in the UK: "Sex" Is a Protected Characteristic
Under the Equality Act 2010, sexnot gender — is one of the nine protected characteristics. That means individuals are legally protected against discrimination on the basis of being male or female, as recorded at birth or legally recognized via a Gender Recognition Certificate.
So if a form is only collecting “gender” and not “sex”:

  • It may fail to comply with data collection best practices for monitoring equality and discrimination.
  • It cannot be used reliably to track whether men or women (in the legal sense) are being treated fairly.

🧾 Why Do Some Forms Only Ask for "Gender"?
Several reasons, though not always good ones:

  1. Misunderstanding: Some organizations conflate the two terms, using “gender” as a polite synonym for “sex.”
  2. Inclusivity intentions: Some aim to be more inclusive of trans or non-binary people but end up dropping “sex” altogether, which causes legal and statistical problems.
  3. Third-party platforms: Forms created through U.S.-based platforms often reflect American norms, where “gender” is more commonly used than “sex.”
🧠 The Problem This Creates
  • Data quality suffers: If you're trying to monitor female participation in STEM, or address health inequalities, gender data alone doesn't help.
  • Legal obligations aren't met: Employers and service providers may be failing to monitor sex-based discrimination — a requirement under the Equality Act.
  • Statistical analysis becomes unreliable: Especially in medicine, law, education, or crime — where biological sex often matters.

✅ Best Practice in the UK
According to ONS (Office for National Statistics) and EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) guidance:

  • Forms should clearly differentiate between sex and gender identity, if both are needed.
  • If only one is asked, and the goal is legal compliance or equality monitoring, it should be sex.
Example of good practice:

What is your sex?
☐ Male
☐ Female

Do you identify as the same gender you were assigned at birth?
☐ Yes
☐ No
☐ Prefer not to say

socialdilemmawhattodo · 06/08/2025 15:08

Igmum · 06/08/2025 14:56

The design of Census 2021 was widely criticised, resulted in problematic responses and shamefully lost the ONS a valuable international accreditation. This was almost entirely the result of the questions about gender which many if not most respondents struggled to understand. It was widely reported and widely condemned. I’m amazed that anyone who has anything to do with survey design not only uses it but publicly admits to basing their own surveys on it. Pre-2021 that would have been normal practice. Post, given the issues, it really should not be.

Do they ask about sex?

Coming on to post similar. 2021 census was not done well at all.

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 15:14

socialdilemmawhattodo · 06/08/2025 15:08

Coming on to post similar. 2021 census was not done well at all.

And the 1991 one. Which we are still paying a very very heavy price for. Like Brexit it's been pushed to the back when people are asking why everything is so shit.

BackToLurk · 06/08/2025 15:55

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 15:07

⚖️ Legal Context in the UK: "Sex" Is a Protected Characteristic
Under the Equality Act 2010, sexnot gender — is one of the nine protected characteristics. That means individuals are legally protected against discrimination on the basis of being male or female, as recorded at birth or legally recognized via a Gender Recognition Certificate.
So if a form is only collecting “gender” and not “sex”:

  • It may fail to comply with data collection best practices for monitoring equality and discrimination.
  • It cannot be used reliably to track whether men or women (in the legal sense) are being treated fairly.

🧾 Why Do Some Forms Only Ask for "Gender"?
Several reasons, though not always good ones:

  1. Misunderstanding: Some organizations conflate the two terms, using “gender” as a polite synonym for “sex.”
  2. Inclusivity intentions: Some aim to be more inclusive of trans or non-binary people but end up dropping “sex” altogether, which causes legal and statistical problems.
  3. Third-party platforms: Forms created through U.S.-based platforms often reflect American norms, where “gender” is more commonly used than “sex.”
🧠 The Problem This Creates
  • Data quality suffers: If you're trying to monitor female participation in STEM, or address health inequalities, gender data alone doesn't help.
  • Legal obligations aren't met: Employers and service providers may be failing to monitor sex-based discrimination — a requirement under the Equality Act.
  • Statistical analysis becomes unreliable: Especially in medicine, law, education, or crime — where biological sex often matters.

✅ Best Practice in the UK
According to ONS (Office for National Statistics) and EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) guidance:

  • Forms should clearly differentiate between sex and gender identity, if both are needed.
  • If only one is asked, and the goal is legal compliance or equality monitoring, it should be sex.
Example of good practice:

What is your sex?
☐ Male
☐ Female

Do you identify as the same gender you were assigned at birth?
☐ Yes
☐ No
☐ Prefer not to say

That means individuals are legally protected against discrimination on the basis of being male or female, as recorded at birth or legally recognized via a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I thought the SC ruling explicitly stated that it is only sex recorded at birth.

The last section of, what I assume is, this AI generated answer is pretty much what the council asked

AlwaysHopefull89 · 06/08/2025 15:59

BundleBoogie · 06/08/2025 14:45

People with a ‘gender identity’ have the same rights as the rest of us.

What more right do you want them to have?

Do you think that the council should ignore the rights of pregnancy and maternity?

Unbelievable

we need to click a refresh button on the world… I’m out 🤦🏻‍♀️

AlwaysHopefull89 · 06/08/2025 16:00

Holdonforsummer · 06/08/2025 12:09

Maybe they are trying to work out how to organise the new loos to keep you lot happy!

🤣🤣

BundleBoogie · 06/08/2025 16:07

AlwaysHopefull89 · 06/08/2025 15:59

Unbelievable

we need to click a refresh button on the world… I’m out 🤦🏻‍♀️

I know, it’s turned into a mad world all of a sudden. We’ve got people over on another thread arguing that it’s perfectly ok for a male employee who calls himself a woman to approach an apparently unaccompanied young teenage girl in the bra section that he shouldn’t even be working in!

Unbelievable indeed.

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 16:38

BackToLurk · 06/08/2025 15:55

That means individuals are legally protected against discrimination on the basis of being male or female, as recorded at birth or legally recognized via a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I thought the SC ruling explicitly stated that it is only sex recorded at birth.

The last section of, what I assume is, this AI generated answer is pretty much what the council asked

You are of course correct. So updating the model, you get:

You're absolutely right — the earlier guidance I provided missed a crucial legal development: the 2025 Supreme Court ruling in For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers, which significantly changes the interpretation of “sex” under the UK’s Equality Act 2010.
⚖️ What the 2025 Supreme Court Ruling Established

  • In April 2025, the UK Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the terms “sex,” “man,” and “woman” in the Equality Act 2010 refer only to biological sex — i.e. the sex assigned at birth and shown on one’s birth certificate (Wikipedia).
  • This excludes transgender individuals (including those with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC)) from being legally recognized as their acquired gender for the purposes of “sex” discrimination provisions (supremecourt.uk).
  • The ruling removes ambiguity about whether GRC holders change legal sex under the Equality Act — the answer is no (equalityhumanrights.com).
🙋 What Does This Mean for Data Collection and Forms?
  • When a form asks for “gender” only, without asking for “sex (biological sex)”, it fails to satisfy legal requirements for monitoring sex-based discrimination.
  • Protected characteristic “sex” must now clearly mean biological sex, as defined by the Supreme Court’s interpretation.
Organizations may still collect gender identity, but they must separately capture biological sex if they are complying with Equality Act obligations, especially for monitoring, reporting, or providing sex-segregated services. 🧾 Real-World Impact
  • Services and public functions that rely on biological sex — like single-sex facilities, sports teams, or board gender quotas — must now base eligibility on birth sex, not gender identity or GRC status (kslaw.com, supremecourt.uk).
  • The EHRC has issued interim guidance confirming that organisations must treat biological sex as distinct from gender identity in relevant contexts, and must update policies to reflect the Supreme Court’s ruling (theguardian.com).
  • Public bodies (like the Scottish Government) have been given deadlines to implement policy changes — legal action is possible if they delay unnecessarily (theguardian.com).
✅ Summary Element Legal Definition under Equality Act 2010 (post-2025 Ruling) Sex Biological sex at birth (male/female) Gender Recognition Certificate Does not change legal sex for Equality Act purposes Gender Identity Separate characteristic (protected under gender reassignment) Forms that ask only "gender" Insufficient for capturing legal “sex” 📝 Final Thought Given the Supreme Court’s ruling, forms that only collect “gender” without querying biological sex are not compliant with Equality Act requirements for monitoring sex-based protections. To comply with the law and protect data integrity, you must collect and differentiate both biological sex and gender identity, as appropriate for the context. Would you like a template note or message you can send to an organization or data controller to explain this shortcoming and request corrected form fields?

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Waitwhat23 · 06/08/2025 17:00

Ooh, they're using the E+W 2021 census as a model to align their questions. The inaccurate, much ridiculed census. (Granted, not as inaccurate and ridiculed as our Scottish census, but not by much). That's, erm, a bit self defeating really.

(As an aside, the quality of our visiting TRA's has really gone downhill. 'You lot'? 'This'? 'Click a refresh button on the world'?. Christ).

Igmum · 06/08/2025 17:19

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2025 14:59

A lot of forms use "gender" (commonly with a rider that it's "how do you identify" and have nothing for "sex" at all.

Even the governments own page to apply for a blue badge.

I know - its totally annoying - I actually managed to get this changed on one of our internal forms post SC judgement (not an achievement on the level of the Forstater judgement but I was quite pleased!)

sashh · 07/08/2025 03:51

Thank you to all who helped.

I think maternity / having children is really important as this is a consultation on housing policy and who often want / need council properties?

@Holdonforsummer

Don't you care about data being correct?

OP posts:
AnSolas · 07/08/2025 15:44

Did you
• FOI or
• Data protection queiry
or "just"
• complain

Sorry bit long and rambling...

The staff member need training on basic letter writing.
And use short sentences
Think
Who
What
When
How
Why
Plus did I answer what was asked.

Anyway..

Corporate Stage 1 Complaint
Thank you for your recent complaint regarding questions relating to gender as part of our equality monitoring.

Language 🤨
Thank you: nope we received it dated DD/MM/YYYY and have an obligation to reply within X number of daya

Q: was it a complaint?
Do they manage complaints differently to FOI and Data protection queries?

I apologise that you are dissatisfied with the service you have received from the City of Wolverhampton Council.

Language 🤨
apologise : express regret for something that one has done wrong.

I am sorry that on this occasion the service we provided did not meet your expectations; I have investigated what happened and can now reply as follows:

Ok
Fails to ID the occasion/ service/ reason you contacted them so fluffy on what was investigated

On your question about why the Council ask questions about gender identity,

Fails to quote the text of your First(?) question so fails to put a limit in the answer
How did you construct your complaint?
Did you ask about the PC GR and why they are looking at "gender identity"?

and why it is relevant,

Fails to quote the text of your Second(?) question so fails to put a limit in the answer.
Did you use the word "relevant" and use it in the way the LA is using it?

As in an "appropriate metric" to judge compliance with the EA?

as part of the Public Sector Equality Duty,

Fails to realise there are 2 "duties" involved in the survey
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-sector-equality-duty-guidance-for-public-authorities/public-sector-equality-duty-guidance-for-public-authorities

Overview
The duty is a statutory duty on listed public authorities and other bodies carrying out public functions. It ensures that those organisations consider how their functions will affect people with different protected characteristics. These functions include their policies, programmes, and services. The duty supports good decision-making by helping decision-makers understand how their activities affect different people.

It also requires public bodies to monitor the actual impact of the things they do.
For example, to keep under review how different groups of pupils are performing at school and to identify and take action if some pupils with protected characteristics need more support than others.

The City of Wolverhampton Council has a responsibility to ensure that we
• do not unfairly discriminate in the services we
• currently provide,
or
• plan to provide.

So primary service is housing
"consider how their functions will affect people with different protected characteristics."

So the LA should have already designed a control to check against when writing the draft policy.
The protected characteristics
The following characteristics are protected characteristics—
• age;
• disability;
• gender reassignment;
• marriage and civil partnership;
• pregnancy and maternity;
• race;
• religion or belief;
• sex;
• sexual orientation.

149 Public sector equality duty PC

(7)The relevant protected characteristics are—

  • age;
  • disability;
  • gender reassignment;
  • pregnancy and maternity;
  • race;
  • religion or belief;
  • sex;
  • sexual orientation

The survey is a control step in the process of creating a final policy

The secondry service is extra function: the survey part of the consultation process
"helping decision-makers understand how their activities affect different people"

Duty 1
Consultation process on housing policy to allow the public give feedback which may help identify weakness in the proposed changes which must meet the housing needs of the population as a whole so using a survey as a quality control (supports good decision-making )

Duty 2
Monitor response of the survey so looking at replys which came in from people about the consultation which may help identify a PC group which is over or under represented and which could skew the adjustment for or against a PC so using the equality monitoring questions as validation of the choice of quality control.

You need to get them to expand on this bit

Therefore,
by asking
equality monitoring questions
as part of our consultations,
we can break down the responses we receive
and
assess whether any
protected characteristics
will be unfairly treated
because of the proposal being consulted on and plan suitable adjustments accordingly.

Nope that is mixing up Duty 1
"consider how their function housing policy will affect people with different protected characteristics."

When I may be female and able bodied but objecting to a policy which prevents males who are disabled (eg in a wheelchair) from being offered housing with ramps which are near public transport before all able bodied people.

The LA do not need equality monitoring questions to sort out replies which show the PC being unfairly treated. Each submission should be judged on its own merrit

So Duty 2 only captures people who engage by giving feedback via the survey who can therefore skew the policy adjustment if the feedback is not representative of the needs of the population as a whole.

And Duty2 is the collection reason:

Why do we want to know these things about you?
It is very important for X Council to collect information about respondents to understand whether the feedback we get from these surveys is representative of our resident population.
The disclosure of this data is treated in the strictest confidence.

Nothing in the surve should be a suprise if the LA has done the initial checks against the PCs

But method of breakdown becomes important here.

The whole process is a use of public funds there is a costbenefit in every step. And LA policy is always to work to the legal minimum with the funds available.

Re data collection and PCs and no public input creating a "black hole"
" It also requires public bodies to monitor the actual impact of the things they do. "
so that they can adjust the function to supply the data

the LA below :our equality monitoring questions are not usually mandatory on Citizen Space, so questions don’t need to be answered where someone feels the question is not relevant to their identity.

That is nice you dont have to supply the specific answer but the LA has a legal duty as part of the Public Sector Equality Duty which creates a new field "NO DATA ENTERED"

13. What is your sex? (a question about gender identity will follow)
Male
Female
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

14. Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?
Yes
No
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

15. What best describes your gender?
Female
Male
Non-binary
I use another term
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

Grid
Male / Yes / Female
Male / Yes / Male
Male / Yes / Non-Binary
Male / Yes / I use another term
Male / Yes / Prefer not to say
Male / No / Female
Male / No / Male
..etc...
Male / Prefer not to say / Female
..etc...
Female / Yes / Female
...etc..
Prefer not to say / Prefer not to say / Prefer not to say

> 3×3×5= 45 sub-group

Add in the null(?) field NO DATA ENTERED
4×4×6 = 92 sub-group

What are the LA doing with-in the provision of housing policy which requires that level of zooming down?

Reworded:

13. What is your sex? (a question about gender reassignment gender identity will follow)
Male
Female
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

14. Are you proposing
• to undergo,
• are undergoing
or
Is the gender you identify with the same as
• have undergone
your sex registered at birth
a process of gender reassignment ?
Yes
No
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

They have by bad construction of the language in the question missed 2 sub-groups who are proposing to/are.

15. What best describes your gender?
Female
Male
Non-binary
I use another term
Prefer not to say
NO DATA ENTERED

Data breach as
• Non-binary
• I use another term
are not within the GR section of the EA

And the objective it to meet the EA not exceed it.

New Grid
Male / Yes gender reassignment
Male / No gender reassignment
Male / Prefer not to say
Female / Yes gender reassignment
Female / No gender reassignment
Female / Prefer not to say
Prefer not to say / Yes gender reassignment
Prefer not to say / No gender reassignment
Prefer not to say / Prefer not to say

> 3×3 = 9 sub-group

NO DATA ENTERED
> 4x4 = 12 sub-groups

Or flip the PC to focus on GR question and the LA only need to look at the yes replies

New Grid
Yes gender reassignment / Male
Yes gender reassignment / Female
Yes gender reassignment / Prefer no to say
Yes gender reassignment / NO DATA ENTERED

> 2 sub-group
As "Prefer not to say" and "NO DATA ENTERED" Sex submission will be either a both sex (male and female) issue or a "SSS" issue

So better data management for wide scope housing policy.
Eg transgender issues and SSS housing if homeless

The Equality Act 2010 recognises gender reassignment as a protected characteristic which has not changed following the Supreme Court ruling of For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers.

Ok

We ask questions about gender

The PC is GR not "gender" nor "gender Identity"

We ask questions about gender
so we can identify
responses
from this
equality group
to see if
they
are engaging with our consultations

See the LAs "equality group" expand into multiple (45) sub-groups with no or tiny numbers.

And why has "Prefer not to say / Prefer not to say / Prefer not to say" not engaged and how do the LA help their internal decision-makers understand how their activities affect different this sub-group?

We ask questions about gender
so we can identify responses from this equality group to see if they are engaging with our consultations
and
check if
this protected characteristic
have identified any adverse impact in their response.
This is why asking questions around gender is relevant.

Nope wrong metric.
Gender is not the PC it should be gender reassignment

Again anybody can report an adverse impact and the LA staff would be stupid and unlawfully excluding a valid submission if someone ticks the not in this "equality group" as the data is collected (only) to understand whether the feedback we get from these surveys is representative of our resident population.

Furthermore,
our equality monitoring questions
were developed
to align
with the questions asked as part of the Census 2021,

Why limit the monitoring to the 2021 data?
Its old data are the LA not able to look at their own records too?
Housing is a long term outlook so the change or projected change is a key benchmark

As per other posters there are known issues with the questions and reliance on data with know error is never good policy.

Furthermore, our equality monitoring questions were developed to align with the questions asked as part of the Census 2021,
which enables us
to check if
the responses we receive
are representative
of the diverse makeup of the City of Wolverhampton.

Ok benchmark per the statement at point of collection
but is Q 15 in the Census data or is it looking at the replies to the fill in the box option.

As part of the Census 2021 individual questionnaire,
question 27
was focussed on gender and therefore,
this is another reason we ask a
•》 similar question
as part of our monitoring.

Not a PC not required> excess data collection

On your concern about ensuring accuracy without a

I don’t have a gender identity option,

our equality monitoring questions are not usually mandatory on Citizen Space, so questions don’t need to be answered where someone feels the question is not relevant to their identity.

As above

The duty is on the LA to monitor the PC GR
And this is creating a data field.

Additionally, each will have a prefer not to say option to allow people to opt out of questions they don’t feel comfortable answering.

Ok that is a data record too.
And gender is not the Pc

Therefore, we do not uphold the element of your complaint that we are
• discriminating against you or
• not processing your data correctly
by including questions on gender in our consultations as there are opportunities to abstain from questions you do not want to answer.

Fail they did not collect the data on PC GR

They will have a field No Data Entered under what they think is GR but is actually your non-reply to the gender question.

You need to ask how the data is stored (data set)

On your question on why the Council does not ask questions about pregnancy or maternity,

the council aligns our equality monitoring questions with the Census 2021,

Fail what basis is used to justify the use of the Census process when the EA provides a list
Why is that PC not relevant to housing policy?

where the only question relating to maternity was an employment-based question which wouldn’t be relevant for the Council to ask as we do not gather data on employment as part of our equality monitoring questions on consultations.

Why its a PC?

And babies link directly into housing policy

Why is the Council saying it needs a benchmark?

The obligation is assess under the EA PCs
Which other ones were not included?

This shows a serious weakness in the LAs understanding of their Duties under the EA

If you are dissatisfied with this response and would like to request a further investigation, please contact the Customer Liaison Team in writing within 20 working days from the date of this letter as follows:

Public Sector Equality Duty: guidance for public authorities

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-sector-equality-duty-guidance-for-public-authorities/public-sector-equality-duty-guidance-for-public-authorities

WaffleParty · 07/08/2025 15:55

Give it up OP. They’ve given you an entirely reasonable response and you’re fighting a battle that doesn’t need to be fought.

MagpiePi · 07/08/2025 16:19

WaffleParty · 07/08/2025 15:55

Give it up OP. They’ve given you an entirely reasonable response and you’re fighting a battle that doesn’t need to be fought.

Don’t give up OP. This nonsense needs to be stopped.
They can’t quote EA2010 with reference to gender identity as it is not a protected characteristic.

If there’s ever a question about religion there is always a ‘none’ option. This should be the case for gender identity, instead of there only being a ‘prefer not to say’ option.

AnSolas · 07/08/2025 19:10

Just for the drive by scolders👋

An equivilent reply to the PC that only women can be unfairly discriminated against.

On your question about
why the Council
DO NOT ask questions about pregnancy or maternity,
and why it is NOT relevant,
as part of the Public Sector Equality Duty, The City of Wolverhampton Council has a responsibility to ensure that
we do not unfairly discriminate
in the services we currently provide,
or
plan to provide.

Therefore,
by NOT asking equality monitoring questions for pregnancy or maternity as part of our consultations,
we can NOT break down the responses we receive and
CAN NOT assess whether the protected characteristics of pregnancy or maternity will be unfairly treated because of the proposal being consulted on
and
CAN NOT plan suitable adjustments accordingly.

The Equality Act 2010 recognises Pregnancy and maternity discrimination: non-work cases and Pregnancy and maternity discrimination: work cases as a protected characteristic which have not changed following the Supreme Court ruling of For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers.

We DO NOT ask questions about pregnancy or maternity as we CAN NOT copy and paste the question on the Census 2021 (it only asked about the employment status of the women who have this protected characteristic)
so we can NOT identify responses from any pregnancy or maternity equality group
OR to see if they are engaging with our consultations
and check if this protected characteristic have identified any adverse impact in their response.

We have opted to ignore the Public sector equality duty sections of the Equality Act 2010.

This is why asking questions around pregnancy or maternity is NOT relevant.

Furthermore, our equality monitoring questions were based on the questions asked as part of the Census 2021, the Census did not collect any data to enable us to check if the responses we receive are representative of the women with the protected characteristic of pregnancy or maternity who are part of the diverse makeup of the City of Wolverhampton.

It was way too hard to look up our own register which is sent to the Office for National Statistics.
https://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/births-marriages-and-deaths/register-a-birth-or-a-death/register-a-birth
Who knew we actually had employees who collected that data or that they can even tell us the most popular names picked for babies?

As part of the Census 2021 individual questionnaire, the only question relating to maternity was an employment-based question so NOT focussed on pregnancy or maternity and therefore, this is another reason we DO NOT ask a ANY pregnancy or maternity question as part of our monitoring.

......

Register a birth | City Of Wolverhampton Council

You need to register the birth of your baby in order to obtain a birth certificate. You must register a birth within 42 days of the baby being born.

https://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/births-marriages-and-deaths/register-a-birth-or-a-death/register-a-birth

sashh · 08/08/2025 07:12

Thank you @AnSolas and everyone else.

@MagpiePi Yes I was thinking about race, you wouldn't have a, "What is your race? white, prefer not to say" but religion is the same isn't it.

OP posts:
MagpiePi · 08/08/2025 07:53

Did they put a question in about religion?

spooge · 08/08/2025 07:55

Just because the gender ID section doesn't directly benefit you in particular does not mean they are wrong to include it. They are just checking the demographic of people using the service. If you are not trans, just don't check off those boxes and you will be absolutely fine. I think the council's response is very reasonable.

sashh · 08/08/2025 08:37

spooge · 08/08/2025 07:55

Just because the gender ID section doesn't directly benefit you in particular does not mean they are wrong to include it. They are just checking the demographic of people using the service. If you are not trans, just don't check off those boxes and you will be absolutely fine. I think the council's response is very reasonable.

But there isn't an option for me. Why do I get left out?

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MsGoodenough · 08/08/2025 09:52

I agree with you OP. I need a 'none' option for the gender ID question. In most surveys, I have to tick 'prefer not to say' which is probably interpreted as me having a special unique gender ID. Similarly, if they ask 'is your gender ID the same as your sex assigned at birth?' if I am truthful and tick 'no' (because I don't have a gender ID) it will be interpreted as me being trans. They are getting inaccurate data from these terrible questions, which is something you'd think they'd care about.

spooge · 08/08/2025 09:56

@sashhWhat options does the form actually give? Everyone has a gender identity, even if it is the same as your birth gender. Is there really no 'cisgender' option?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 08/08/2025 10:03

spooge · 08/08/2025 09:56

@sashhWhat options does the form actually give? Everyone has a gender identity, even if it is the same as your birth gender. Is there really no 'cisgender' option?

No, people only have a gender identity if they subscribe to gender ideology. Most people do not subscribe to the idea that people can change sex/gender, and so would require a box that says “none” when the question is “what is your gender identity?”

And I would be very careful assuming that anyone on this board is happy to be forced to accept the term “cis”. We are not a subset of our own sex.

sashh · 08/08/2025 10:21

spooge · 08/08/2025 09:56

@sashhWhat options does the form actually give? Everyone has a gender identity, even if it is the same as your birth gender. Is there really no 'cisgender' option?

How patronising. I do not have a gender ID. Oh and I am not 'cis'.

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lcakethereforeIam · 08/08/2025 10:28

I don't have a gender identity either and that includes a 'cis' one.