I mean, I could tell you that 80% of violence against women is Intimate Partner Violence so you’re more likely to be raped, assaulted or murdered by a man you are close to than any other demographic so wasting your time protesting trans women is making women no safer.
Then that would also go for TW being around men, right?
so you’re more likely to be raped, assaulted or murdered by a man you are close to than any other demographic so wasting your time protesting trans women is making women no safer
So you agree TW are a demographic of men?
As men, they are statistically way more dangerous to women than other women are, hence single sex spaces and categories existing in the first place. However, statistically, TW are in fact more likely than men generally to be sex offenders - so they are more dangerous and women being scared of them in their spaces is completely rational.
I could tell you that trans people make up less than 1% of the population and thus much less of a threat to you than men – who make up nearly 50% of the population and won’t give a shit about coming into a woman’s toilet to cause harm.
Just like men who are builders, or men with ginger hair, or men with one arm, they are all small minorities of men but that doesn't mean they should be excepted from the rules that keep males out to keep women safe, Allowing any males in significantly increases risks to women, but particularly a demographic that is statistically more likely to sex-offend - even if they are 1%.
I could tell that trans woman are 4 times more likely than cis gendered women to be attacked, raped and assaulted
In line with them being males. Males are at even greater risk of violent attack by males than women are. This is because they are aggressive and get into fights. If you are talking about world statistics, it also includes TW who are prostitures which is also very high-risk, for whoever does 8t.
and your persistent demonisation of them are contributing to how unsafe they continue to be.
Facts and genuine risks are not "demonisation" I have never ever seen or heard a GC feminist saying ALL TW are dangerous or sex offenders. That is not the point, it's about statistical likelihood.
Since TW claim to be at risk from men in male spaces, are they saying all men are dangerous or sex offenders?
Lastly if men attack a TW for reasons of transphobia, homophobia or hatred, why would that be because of what women think? Do thuggish bigoted men normally listen to feminists? (Clue: no)
And the perpetrator of that violence is the same demographic which carries out the majority of assaults and attacks on cis women and so perhaps your time would be better spent working with transwomen rather than against them and try and make us all safer.
I'd be happy for TW to be safer and for that work to be done. Just as I'm in favour of reducing violence against anyone. That doesn't mean males should be in women's spaces. "Working with" TW does not have to mean giving them whatever the demand or believing them to be women.
I could argue that for every one Isla Bryson there are 1000s of transwomen who are good people and are just trying to get on with their life in peace and quiet without having to justify their existence to a baying mob in which a trans person’s existence really doesn’t have much of an impact on their lives beyond maybe having to go to the toilet in a cubicle next to them at some point, which you might not actually notice because they pass for an actual woman.
I refer you to the stats above, plus most TW have a penis which is not passing as a woman in my book.
The only "baying mobs" I have seen in this whole phenomenon have been on the genderist side.
I really am not in the least bothered that "trans people exist". to me that is like saying "christians exist" or "homeopaths exist" Of course they do. I just don't have to agree with them that they are one of the opposite sex.
I could argue that I have biological female friends who identify as such, who have been misgendered in the past because they don't look stereotypically female and are now concerned about being questioned when going to the bathroom because of the supreme court ruling
A result of trans poeple having been lied to about their actual rights and massively overstepping, causing women to feel on edge and on the alert in their own spaces.
I could argue that you don’t seem bothered by the idea of transmen which leaves a massive hole in your argument
TM are in the main vulnerable, autistic, traumatised, sexual-assault-survivor or lesbian females who want to escape from womanhood, and I do not feel they are a threat to me - certainly not to the same degree as males statistically.
What argument? You've decided our "argument" is "we hate trans people" but it's actually not. It's "males shouldn't be in women's spaces, categories and sports and children shouldn't be told they can choose their sex and be led down a path to lifelong harm".
I could argue that this is yet another schism within feminism created by
privileged women – of which there have been many over the years including with working class women, women of colour and lesbians. Always borne out of the fear that the inclusion of these other demographics, might water down your argument.
You could, but you'd be lying.
Most feminists are feminists on behalf of and in defence of all women.
All women does not include males.
At a push I could maybe see that there is a conversation to be had about trans women in sport, but your Queen Bee JK Rowling put paid to that by having a pop at a female boxer – a biological woman no less – because she looked too much like a man and ridiculing any sensible discussion that might have been had.
Ummm... do you mean Khelif? Khelif is male.
If you mean someone else, a biological female, my apologies for not knowing who you mean.
I could argue that one of the main things that feminism was borne out of was the frustration of being told what a woman can and can’t be, what she should and shouldn’t look like, and yet this is exactly what you’re doing and the hypocrisy of that is eye watering.
Women are of the female sex and can be anything that that allows (they cannot for example father children)
Saying women can be male equals not more freedom for women, but less, because then males harm their freedoms, safety and privacy and take their medals and scholarships.
Your false argument is like saying we should give chickens protection and freedom by saying foxes can be chickens.
I could argue that just because it’s the law, it doesn’t mean it’s right – in the case of, as I’ve already pointed out, abortion and most recently the proscription of Palestine Action which has seen an unnecessary amount of innocent people, including a 90 year old woman and a blind disabled man be criminalised, merely for speaking out against a genocide that we are all having to helplessly watch.
Totally agree, there are self-ID laws in other countries and I don't think they're right.
I could argue that there’s a genocide happening in Palestine and why should we bother giving a shit about your petty ‘nose out of joint’ complaints about less than 1% of the population that most likely has no bearing on you or your day to day life
There are atrocities happening in lots of places. Yet you think TW should get to take women's rights and their "petty nose out of joint" complaints are important.
But what’s the fucking point because unless I say yes, you’re right! I 100% agree with you and believe it was all the vitriol I can muster, you’ll never hear or accept what I have to say, and you’ll just keep coming back with biology, the law and fucking toilets.
Because your arguments are specious and not based on reality, but on twisting, misrepresenting and lying, as shown above.
And so, much like Bee most likely – whoever that is – every now and then we feel that maybe it’s worth trying to have some sort of engagement with this argument rather than that just writing off your opinions without taking time to hear them. And then this happens, and we realise once again that it’s a waste of fucking time and rather than engage with this toxic discussion we ‘choose to’ walk away. So, fire on – sit back and pat yourself on the back for whatever empty victory you think it is you’ve won by me walking away from this discussion.
OK. Or you could actually engage in good faith, apply logical thought and realise that female people are defending their rights from males, and it's not all about hating TW. If TW acknowledged they're male, stayed in their lane and showed us respect as women (some do) we would not have had to fight to keep our rights.