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Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool

116 replies

ArabellaScott · 01/08/2025 12:13

A great win for Lynn Pinches!

Congratulations to her, and the EBPF.

'CASE DISMISSED! The case against EBPF by Harriet Haynes. '

Haynes to pay costs.

Earlier articles:

Males banned from women's pool:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c1k4gd2vge9o

Haynes sues:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2025/04/08/transgender-pool-player-harriet-hayes-suing-governing-body/

Pool Federation:

https://ebpf.uk/

Judgement:

https://jrlevins.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/K01CT207-judgment-1-8-25-handed-down.pdf

'CONCLUSION
267 Having come to the end of what is essentially a long footnote to this judgment, I reiterate that in my view the effect of the decision in FWS is that the claim fails at the first hurdle because there has been no gender reassignment discrimination. The claim must therefore be dismissed. '

A player takes a shot during a game of pool

Transgender women banned from female pool category

The Ultimate Pool Group (UPG) ban transgender women from female category after landmark UK Supreme Court ruling that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c1k4gd2vge9o

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Bannedontherun · 05/08/2025 23:16

This was a massive judgement document for County Court. But he chose to give thorough commentary on all the arguments, then said at the end that the claim failed at the first hurdle because the claim was gender reassignment discrimination, which failed because of the meaning of female/woman as per FWS ruling.

What was revealing is the arguments Jane Russell, is going to put forward in the Peggie case, which is shown in this judgement to be illogical.

He also addressed the grounds of appeal which were zippo

happy days.

impossibletoday · 22/08/2025 18:36

They are going to appeal!!!

x.com/PinchesLynne/status/1958911275943002239?t=PauWLNA3lSPbwcmsRh-SSA&s=19

impossibletoday · 22/08/2025 18:38

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Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool
Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool
CompleteGinasaur · 22/08/2025 18:44

Well, with a brains trust like that the appeal can't fail, surely? 😂

moto748e · 22/08/2025 18:52

Bring it on, I say!

SirChenjins · 22/08/2025 19:00

He's as deluded here as he is in every other aspect of his life! Men really don't like being told no, do they 😂

Justme56 · 22/08/2025 19:03

Are the pronouns after RMW there for a reason?

Helleofabore · 22/08/2025 19:10

They have a huge investment in getting the FWS limited. Particularly Jane Russel.

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2025 19:11

Justme56 · 22/08/2025 19:03

Are the pronouns after RMW there for a reason?

As a reminder, I guess.

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borntobequiet · 22/08/2025 20:49

This seems to be a very odd case to stake their all on. It seems to be almost devoid of merit. But IANAL and they are very clever people, allegedly.

MyAmpleSheep · 22/08/2025 20:51

They need permission to appeal, first.

borntobequiet · 22/08/2025 20:55

MyAmpleSheep · 22/08/2025 20:51

They need permission to appeal, first.

Oh, is it just so they can pretend to do it and then blame the legal system when they can’t? Seems about par for the course.

MyAmpleSheep · 22/08/2025 21:42

Details of the appeal process are here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/appeal-to-the-court-of-appeal-civil-division#ask-for-permission-to-appeal

The judge will only grant you permission to appeal if either:

  • you have a real chance of success
  • there’s another very strong reason why the appeal should be heard
You must explain why the decision was wrong or unfair, for example there was a serious mistake, or the court did not follow the right steps.

Appeal to the Court of Appeal Civil Division

How to appeal a county court, High Court or tribunal decision to the Court of Appeal.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/appeal-to-the-court-of-appeal-civil-division#ask-for-permission-to-appeal

Bannedontherun · 22/08/2025 22:20

Not a chance is there. What was going to happen after the SC ruling was not something i thought about at the time. But on reflection it is entirely expected that there will be numerous failed attempts to get around the ruling, at first i thought it was very tiresome. Given the misery the trans movement has inflicted on women and children, I think fuck it, AND NOW SEE IT AS A LAUGH A MINUTE.

Spiteful that may be, but i do not care.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/08/2025 23:14

impossibletoday · 22/08/2025 18:38

Screenshot

obviously the lawyers would be delighted.

MissKomodoDragonsBrunch · 23/08/2025 02:42

Who is paying for the appeal?

Namelessnelly · 23/08/2025 06:09

Justme56 · 22/08/2025 19:03

Are the pronouns after RMW there for a reason?

Yes. Because otherwise no one would know RMW is not aman but a lady. Nothing else suggests this so the pronouns are very important.

Chersfrozenface · 23/08/2025 09:09

MissKomodoDragonsBrunch · 23/08/2025 02:42

Who is paying for the appeal?

I too would like to know this.

Who paid Matt Champ / Colman Coyle's fees in the original claim?

Mmmnotsure · 23/08/2025 09:13

Namelessnelly · 23/08/2025 06:09

Yes. Because otherwise no one would know RMW is not aman but a lady. Nothing else suggests this so the pronouns are very important.

The [non] -lady doth protest too much, methinks.

GoldThumb · 26/08/2025 21:20

BellissimoGecko · 02/08/2025 14:35

I’ve just read this. The article said:

‘Following the verdict, Ms Haynes's legal team expressed their disappointment. Matt Champ, a senior associate at Colman Coyle who represented Haynes, said: “We and our client are naturally disappointed with the court’s decision that it was bound to follow the much-criticised Supreme Court case of For Women Scotland and dismiss our client’s case for gender reassignment discrimination.
“However, whilst the judge dismissed the case based upon For Women Scotland, we take some solace in the fact that he found that, if he was not bound by that decision, he would have agreed with our client and found that the need to show that exclusion was ‘necessary’ so as to comply with the Equality Act 2010 would have been on the defendants, that was a hotly contested issue at trial."
“More importantly, the judge also found that if he were required to decide it, he would have found that the EBPF’s actions were not capable of being a ‘proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’ and so the defendants’ secondary case would have failed.’

Is this accurate? Did the judge say this? If so why??

Just came over here from the SP thread.

What they’re saying here is technically true, from what I can see.

The first point relates to the ‘primary case’ (fairness of competition)

Their point is that the judge agrees the burden of proof of showing that exclusion was ‘necessary’ would have fallen on the defendant.

But what this statement fails to mention is that the judgment then goes in to say that the defendant would have met/proven it:

There is no reasonable alternative way of achieving fair competition short of exclusion

So irrelevant really.

The second point relates to the secondary claim (encouraging greater female participation)

The judgement seems to be saying that while this is a legitimate aim, excluding trans women is not a ‘proportionate’ way to achieve it.

So that’s a bit shit.

impossibletoday · 01/09/2025 21:51

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Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool
Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 22:03

That is interesting.

Wasn't there speculation that Haynes' team was hoping to go to the High Court? I guess we will watch this space.

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2025 22:08

Another fail for twat face JR

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/09/2025 22:17

Yay Lynne Pinches! You are the latest star in our ever-brightening sky 😁👍🏆🏆🏆 xxx

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