Why do most TIM not seem to care about their voices?

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TIMs seem to go to a great effort to "live as a woman" except when it comes to their voice. Like Robin White - had all the surgeries, wears stereotypically female clothes and jewellery, makeup, hairstyle, insists on using women's facilities. But the voice...unmistakably male. I have used Robin as an example as Robin's voice is quite familiar to a lot of us but it seems a common presentation across the board.

I don't get it. If you are so dysphoric and endangered using the male facilities then why does your male voice not make you equally as dysphoric and in danger of being "outed" (lol).

I know that this post is preaching to the choir and that there is no sensible answer to this. Is it laziness? Voice training, as I understand, takes a huge amount of time and effort. Or is it fear of feeling silly? Clearly when TIM look in the mirror they don't see a "man in a dress" but, perhaps, if they try and raise the pitch of their voice they hear one.

I remember as a kid watching Superman 2, where Terence Stamp was one of the baddies. I'm not sure how you'd describe his accent in that, but at one point he shouted something, and for a moment he went pure South London. As someone who'd never seen an actor with their accent in a film before, it was glorious.

Why do gender criticals keep talking about Tim? Who is Tim?

TIM = acronym.

Do keep up

TIM is the guy who demands we call him a woman, hth.

I like half-watching TV programmes about industrial history, often called something like Abandoned Engineering. Half-watching, because I'm usually doing something else at the same time. I was watching one with my glasses off so that I could do some close-up work, when one of the pundits speaking made me look up. The voice was a weirdly strangled-sounding voice, very insistent and didactic. Without my glasses, the seated speaker looked like a woman - but the voice did not fit. It was not female, nor was it clearly male. So I put my glasses on and looked again. Of course, it was a TIM.

I've no idea whether he had had surgery or training, and of course the insistent, didactic manner might have been because he was American or because that was the style of the show.

It was, in a way, an uncanny valley voice, rather like AI-generated voices often are.

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That pundit and his voice are exactly how I visualise our little transapple.

They don't fetishise their voice the way they fetisise clothes, makeup, hair

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Yes I know who you mean. The person does have very distinctive voice.

Tim is a laydee don’t you know?

I seem to remember Hugh Laurie saying that, over all the seasons of 'House' and despite living in LA, reproducing an American accent never became any less challenging. And I imagine that a Brit male trying to sound like an American male is a lot easier than a male trying to sound like a female.

It was explained a few posts back. Trans-identifying male. Why not read the thread?

That's interesting he says that. I don't live in the UK and I find it quite easy to shift from my British english accent to a local english accent/grammar. Of course though theres no expectation of perfection or anyone critiquing me.

There was an interesting discussion on the Sandy Peggie thread about how this whole situation compares to the Terry Pratchett book Small Gods and how in that book it is not the god itself which is necessarily worshipped or believed in but the rituals and trappings that surround it.

A woman that came to my door, canvassing for the prospective labour MP, is indeed a voice therapist for transgender people, working for the NHS.
As you say, shocking when the waiting list for children to see SLT is horrendous.

Your username is apt...

No we don't. I also don't want the government funding any TIMs' gender reassignment surgery but somehow it seems to have become accepted.

To answer the op, the few transwomen I have come accross in real life have made an attempt to speak in a more feminine way, some more successfully than others. I think it's a lot harder for some than others.
Who are you basing this on?

Oh ok, so you think I'm not correct when I say that few spend the effort? Is it that, despite their efforts, most aren't capable of sounding feminine? So where I hear "they haven't bothered" actually what I am hearing is their best efforts.

I'm basing it on radio, podcasts, YouTube videos. Even with videos I don't tend to get visual cues as I normally listen while I'm driving and obviously don't look at the accompanying picture.

I think that "online" people who you would usually see on YouTube and podcasts tend to be particular personality type which isn't reflective of real life.

Imagine if someone only looked at influencers and drew conclusions about all women from that.

Not just trans influencers though but people who appear on journalistic videos about the protests, or are interviewed on the BBC. I was thinking of the more "normal everyday" trans women as opposed to the influencer type such as Munroe Bergdorf or Dylan Mulvaney.

I think like the poster upthread it’s much harder to change your voice, I don’t think there’s any surgery. I think many Transwomen would change this if they could. Speech therapists can help with pitch, but timbre and resonance are much harder to change. I think RMW said that about court to acknowledge male privilege - when I read that I didn’t think it was about deliberately retaining a male voice. But I may not remember right.

I think people who step forward to be interviewed are still a non representative sample. As I said, the few transwomen I have come accross in real life, so not on TV etc, have attempted to soften their voices. Those with deep voices aren't able to do it very well. I don't think its a deliberate thing on their part.

Voice is very important in our recognition of a male, which is one reason why some TIFs “pass” more easily as male, especially younger ones.

I think with many TIMs, while some can have (or “do”) a convincing voice, there’s an element of self-delusion or maybe even not caring, while the voice serves to register them as male to the hearer and this makes the hearer more likely to recognise a potential threat and comply - especially a female hearer.

On one level a “be kind” woman may consciously think “this TW is a special oppressed woman who deserves all the support and inclusion” while on a deeper level her limbic system is going, “this is a male making demands and pushing boundaries, tread carefully, dont piss him off”.

And when a TW “breaks cover” when angry as in that video (and others like the famous “it’s ma’am” one) it’s because at an instinctive level the deeper, louder voice is part of their ability to be threatening - as a male.

Excuse me, but Terence is East London, not South.

Seeing as RMW doesn’t seem to have a great track record winning cases I dread to think where he’d be without his commanding male voice.

It does also blow a hole through their arguments. He wants to be called she and use female toilets but he’s kept a clearly male voice. Everyone including himself can hear every time he speaks he’s a man (I mean everyone can tell anyway but still). They want it all on their terms. The male privilege is just spilling over.