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Ex Tory MP given community order for harassing ex wife

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WarriorN · 15/07/2025 06:57

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlp2eqznno

Cardiff Magistrates Court heard that the messages contained abusive language while accusing Rebecca Lovell of being "mean" and seeking to find out details about her new relationship.

A message demanded £350,000 within 15 minutes and wished to ensure that Wallis's former wife and others "never have a happy moment again".

Wallis, who was the first MP to openly begin the process of gender transitioning, previously told the court: "My name is Katie Wallis, but my legal name is Jamie Wallis".

the article uses she but makes it clear throughout that the man transitioned.

Katie Wallis facing the camera as she walks along a street. She is wearing a black dress with a black strap across her neck. She has her hair up.

Ex-Tory MP given community order and fine for harassing ex-wife

The former Bridgend MP previously denied the allegations but later changed her plea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlp2eqznno

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 19/07/2025 03:53

Malvaceae · 18/07/2025 22:01

Right. But one of them harassed his ex wife and the other publically called for people to be burned to death. Can’t you see that what Lucy Connolly did was far more serious?

You said that you did not understand what "connection" happydappy2 was making between the two cases.

I have explained what I understood to be the "connection" that happydappy2 was making.

The two cases are obviously very different, but that is a point of connection.

Whether or not you think it is relevant is another matter.

Chersfrozenface · 21/07/2025 16:17

Jamie Wallis (legal name, see story) is in court again. This time charged with possession of a false passport "without reasonable excuse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8g3g1xzywo

Katie Wallis walking out of court building wearing red top with white bows and pink blazer over it. She has long curly blonde hair up in a pony tail.

Bridgend ex-Tory MP in court over false passport charge

No pleas were entered in relation to the offence, which allegedly happened whilst Wallis was an MP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8g3g1xzywo

Flashout · 21/07/2025 16:20

Fucking hell.

moto748e · 21/07/2025 17:43

The judge asked the prosecution if there had been a "gender recognition certificate" or if the prosecution should consider using both names in court documents.

Surely the courts should have a blanket policy on this, nation-wide?

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 22/07/2025 00:28

JFC! "What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!"

Let's see if the Equal Treatment Bench Book covers this?

Chapter 12: Trans people

Treatment of trans people in court

(My bolding and emphasis below)

  1. Typically, it should be unproblematic for the judge to use the trans person’s preferred name and pronouns (“he/she” or “they”), regardless of whether they have obtained a GRC.468 However, where one side’s case hinges on the recognition of the biological sex of the trans person as crucial, and the other side on the recognition of their chosen identification, judges need to be careful not to let the choice of gendered pronouns give an appearance of bias, or that there is a predetermined conclusion. If possible, using the individual’s name instead of a pronoun where these pronouns are contested, or alternatively, the gender-neutral pronoun of “they” may help minimise offence towards, or the undermining of, an individual’s personal identification, while also not validating and giving it undue weight over the perceptions of others

  2. There will be other situations where the judge may decide not to use the trans person’s preferred name/pronouns to ensure a witness can give best evidence, eg a female rape victim may find it incomprehensible if the judge and others in court refer to her biologically male attacker as “she”. In the end, it is for the judge to ensure that a proper balance is struck between respecting how a trans person, as with any person, wishes to be addressed (within reason), and enabling a witness to give best evidence/recount events as accurately and truthfully as possible.

  3. Witnesses should never be compelled to use the trans person’s preferred pronouns. It should always be permitted for them to refer to a person how they presently understand or previously knew them (as in any case, eg a fraud where a defendant has used multiple identities). A victim of domestic abuse, sexual violence or assault by a trans person is particularly likely to describe the perpetrator in accordance with the victim’s experience and perception of events. To do otherwise, and place additional or artificial barriers on a witness, is likely to detract from their ability to give best evidence.

20. A person’s biological sex or their trans history should not normally need to be disclosed if it is not relevant to the legal proceedings. Where appropriate, in the interests of the administration of justice, the court may consider making reporting restrictions under s.4 Contempt of Court Act 1981, or a range of privacy orders under rule 49, The Employment Tribunal (Rules of Procedure) 2024 or other relevant Tribunal Rules, to prevent the disclosure of a trans person’s previous name and trans history. Alternatively, it may direct that part or all the hearing be in private, subject to the need to balance competing convention rights. It is usually inappropriate to enquire about someone’s medical history, including their anatomical status, unless it is relevant to the case. If it becomes relevant, the issue should be handled with sensitivity. Again, a private hearing might be directed, subject to considering competing convention rights.

  1. Fundamental principles of equality and acceptance of diversity demand that no prejudice or difference in treatment is accorded to a person due to their appearance, including their manner of dress. Any person’s “gender expression” and/or choice of clothing should be respected unless there is an affront to public decency or a clear intention to insult the judicial process. This applies equally to all people, whether trans or not.

Disclosure of protected information under s.22 Gender Recognition Act 2004

  1. Where a person has applied for or obtained a GRC, s.22 GRA 2004 makes it an offence for someone who has obtained “protected information” in an official capacity to disclose that information to any other person. There are a number of exceptions to s.22, one of which, s.22(4)(e), is that it is not an offence to disclose protected information if the disclosure is for the purpose of instituting, or otherwise for the purposes of proceedings before a court or tribunal.

Recommended terminology

  1. “Deadnaming” is a term used where a trans person, in the course of transitioning or having transitioned, is called by their birth name, or where their birth name is otherwise referred to, instead of their chosen name. In court, witnesses may refer to a person by their deadname if this is how they knew them.

Page 130:
The Equality Act 2010
The EqA 2010 prohibits discrimination in relation to “sex”. This means being a man or being a woman. The Supreme Court 339 has determined that the terms “woman”, “man” and “sex” in the EqA 2010 refer to a person’s biological sex. Woman has always meant biological woman. Man has always meant biological man. Sex has always meant biological sex. See the Equality Act 2010 appendix for an overview of the EqA 2010 and more detail of the application of the EqA 2010 to “sex”.

  1. During questioning: Pronouns should not be used. When referring to a person, the name of the person should be used on every occasion.

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/diversity/equal-treatment-bench-book/

If the fake passport is in the name of "Katie Wallis" then it would only make sense IMHO for the court to refer to the defendant by his legal name, "Jamie Wallis".

However if the fake passport is in the name of Jamie Wallis or a third name then it seems to be up to the defendant to specify by which name should be used.

Using two names to refer to the defendant seems bonkers. IMHO but IANAL.

Jamie Wallis, 41, who is now known as Katie Wallis and uses female pronouns, represented Bridgend from 2019 to 2024.

The offence is alleged to have happened in 2022 while Wallis was still an MP.

Wallis previously appeared before magistrates in Cardiff charged with possession of a false passport "without reasonable excuse" in Cowbridge or elsewhere, on 5 April 2022.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8g3g1xzywo

Anyway, why has this taken so long to come to court and did Wallis inform the Conservative Party and the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards?

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/faqs/

Ex Tory MP given community order for harassing ex wife
Chersfrozenface · 22/07/2025 07:42

If the fake passport is in the name of "Katie Wallis" then it would only make sense IMHO for the court to refer to the defendant by his legal name, "Jamie Wallis".

I do wonder whether whether this is the case.

A change of name and gender on a passport has to reflect a change for all purposes.

"Customers who apply to change the gender on their passport, who do not have a GRC, must submit a letter or written statement with their application, from a medical professional that confirms they use their specified name and specified gender for all purposes."

"We can only issue a passport if it is established the customer is using their new identity for all purposes. You, the examiner, must not issue a passport in a name or gender a customer uses for some but not all purposes."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition/gender-recognition-accessible

A theoretical MP with no GRC who had a Parliamentary pass, and possibly a driving licence etc, in one name, and a passport in another, might well be in hot water.

I:m hoping the details will be forthcoming when Wallis appears in court again on 15th August.

CriticalCondition · 22/07/2025 08:27

Interested to note that Wallis represented himself at that hearing. Where's the very expensive lawyer now? Perhaps one will be funded and instructed in time for the hearing on 15th August.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/07/2025 08:36

We are always being told by the T supporters that ‘acceptance’ is all that is needed for ‘transpeople’ to thrive.

Well, Jamie ( name he was using then) Wallace was lauded by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons for his ‘courage’ in ‘wanting to be trans’. All the Members , of all parties, joined in this display of support. I can’t think of a much greater degree of ‘acceptance’ than that.

Doesn't seem to have had much impact in this instance, though.

OldCrone · 22/07/2025 08:38

Chersfrozenface · 22/07/2025 07:42

If the fake passport is in the name of "Katie Wallis" then it would only make sense IMHO for the court to refer to the defendant by his legal name, "Jamie Wallis".

I do wonder whether whether this is the case.

A change of name and gender on a passport has to reflect a change for all purposes.

"Customers who apply to change the gender on their passport, who do not have a GRC, must submit a letter or written statement with their application, from a medical professional that confirms they use their specified name and specified gender for all purposes."

"We can only issue a passport if it is established the customer is using their new identity for all purposes. You, the examiner, must not issue a passport in a name or gender a customer uses for some but not all purposes."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition/gender-recognition-accessible

A theoretical MP with no GRC who had a Parliamentary pass, and possibly a driving licence etc, in one name, and a passport in another, might well be in hot water.

I:m hoping the details will be forthcoming when Wallis appears in court again on 15th August.

I don't think he's been charged with a fraudulent application for a passport. It says he's been charged with 'possession of a false passport'. Doesn't this mean that the passport itself is a fake? So either a forgery or a genuine passport which has been tampered with.

IKeepMyToasterInTheCupboard · 22/07/2025 08:49

At the time he was a serving MP, he also had a dodgy passport?

I don't have Sal Grover's "if you're prepared to lie about one thing..." image to hand but I'm thinking it very loudly.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/07/2025 09:06

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 18/07/2025 19:51

I think it is also why they are so pro-prostitution, for the sexual degradation and humiliation that they want to experience - because that's what "living as a woman" means to them.

Absolutely. That nasty piece of work Andrea Long Chu made that abundantly clear in print.

Ex Tory MP given community order for harassing ex wife
Ex Tory MP given community order for harassing ex wife
POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 23/07/2025 00:08

Chersfrozenface · 22/07/2025 07:42

If the fake passport is in the name of "Katie Wallis" then it would only make sense IMHO for the court to refer to the defendant by his legal name, "Jamie Wallis".

I do wonder whether whether this is the case.

A change of name and gender on a passport has to reflect a change for all purposes.

"Customers who apply to change the gender on their passport, who do not have a GRC, must submit a letter or written statement with their application, from a medical professional that confirms they use their specified name and specified gender for all purposes."

"We can only issue a passport if it is established the customer is using their new identity for all purposes. You, the examiner, must not issue a passport in a name or gender a customer uses for some but not all purposes."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition/gender-recognition-accessible

A theoretical MP with no GRC who had a Parliamentary pass, and possibly a driving licence etc, in one name, and a passport in another, might well be in hot water.

I:m hoping the details will be forthcoming when Wallis appears in court again on 15th August.

That is very interesting! I can't count the number of times I have seen trans people on social media casually mentioning in passing that they have got different names on different forms of ID including a passport.

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