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Billy Bragg at Forest Live

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Arran2024 · 24/06/2025 10:13

https://x.com/OkayBiology/status/1936901871442301366

Why is he pushing this?

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tobee · 24/06/2025 12:32

Tbf Paul Heaton's a wanker as well.

Womanofcustard · 24/06/2025 12:36

I don’t care what he says. Just please stop his godawful “singing “

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2025 12:40

Abhannmor · 24/06/2025 10:25

Oi! That is Private Billy Bragg to you. He gave up on punk rock and joined the Army in 1981. Rather bad timing as things were hotting up in Northern Ireland with the hunger strike by republican prisoners. He bought himself out after a few months. Fair enough....but you'd wonder how deep his political convictions run.

BB joined up in 1981; he was 23, so not some teenager who didn't know what he was letting himself in for.

In 1981 BB would have know what the British Army had done in places like Derry and Ballymurphy, and still signed up, so he must have been OK with it.

He says he joined the 'Irish Hussars' - presumably the Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars - because they wouldn't be sent to Northern Ireland, being an 'Irish' regiment - he was wrong, the QRIH were deployed to NI, and in 1981 he would have known that.

It's hard to believe him or his motivations, isn't it?

Revelations; The army made a man of me; Billy Bragg, Acton, 1981 | The Independent | The Independent

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 24/06/2025 13:09

Billy Bragg was a wanker long before this, obvs feels this latest bandwagon may keep him relevant. Certainly wouldn't buy a ticket to see him

BundleBoogie · 24/06/2025 13:39

Wot an arse.

moto748e · 24/06/2025 13:47

I always liked Levi Stubbs' Tears, but Jeez, the guy is a berk.

Lottapianos · 24/06/2025 13:49

moto748e · 24/06/2025 13:47

I always liked Levi Stubbs' Tears, but Jeez, the guy is a berk.

Such a great song. He's got some great songs, including one that starts 'I hate the arsehole I've become....' 😁

Wonder if he plays that one much these days

Mochudubh · 24/06/2025 14:19

He's shit, he's always been shit. He's written some decent songs but, like Bob Dylan, they sound better sung by anybody somebody else

GallantKumquat · 24/06/2025 14:20

Haulage · 24/06/2025 11:09

Christ he’s such a berk. He was on a 40 years of TOTP programme I saw a few weeks ago banging on about how although he wasn’t a miner or from a mining family or a mining area he felt that he was in that tradition and therefore should be given their credibility when singing about socialism. It’s always been performative wankery for Billy Bragg.

IMO he's a serious music historian. Many years ago he had a radio series about the history of US folk music and progressive politics, covering among other things the labor movement, WWII, cold war politics, racial equality and the anti-war movement. I thought it was quite impressive, demonstrating real understanding and insight.

And of course his one true hit was Sexuality. Given those currents in his career, hopping on the trans band-wagon must have been irresistible.

I think Bragg is instructive in that a large swath of the left is unable to evaluate causes on their own merit, the problem of the omnicause. The irony is that of anyone Bragg could have known better because it's a recurring theme on the movement-left (and there's no doubt he sees himself as a part of that heroic tradition), one which he's actually covered -- the nativism, the struggle to disavow Stalinism and later Castro, the political unreasonableness and radicalism of the New Left which caused its self-immolation in the late 60s. But for whatever reason (and maybe it is just straight forward misogyny) Bragg blind to the unworthiness of this particular cause.

MelodyMalone · 24/06/2025 14:43

Mochudubh · 24/06/2025 14:19

He's shit, he's always been shit. He's written some decent songs but, like Bob Dylan, they sound better sung by anybody somebody else

Don't bring Dylan into it! 😄

ScupperedbytheSea · 24/06/2025 14:53

Phew.. . Another middle aged white man has turned up to tell us women what we should really fear is male violence. Just what we needed.

TheOtherRaven · 24/06/2025 15:10

it’s homophobic and sexist and craps all over a whole bunch of right-on causes he was supposedly into 5 minutes ago. But he won’t because he’s high on how cool and heroic he is.

That. Loving the smell of his own farts.

GranolaDisco · 24/06/2025 19:35

I always thought he was a self righteous, patronising twat. You just know he’s one of those blokes who corners you at a party and lectures you about something you know more about than him,

He just gets worse and worse. Only little Owen Jones enrages me more. Although Billy is giving LOJ a run for his money,

Take your #bekind to everyone other than women who stand up for themselves and don’t listen to your nonsense bullshit and shove it up your insufferable mansplaining arse, Bill.

Abhannmor · 24/06/2025 19:44

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2025 12:40

BB joined up in 1981; he was 23, so not some teenager who didn't know what he was letting himself in for.

In 1981 BB would have know what the British Army had done in places like Derry and Ballymurphy, and still signed up, so he must have been OK with it.

He says he joined the 'Irish Hussars' - presumably the Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars - because they wouldn't be sent to Northern Ireland, being an 'Irish' regiment - he was wrong, the QRIH were deployed to NI, and in 1981 he would have known that.

It's hard to believe him or his motivations, isn't it?

Revelations; The army made a man of me; Billy Bragg, Acton, 1981 | The Independent | The Independent

Thanks...I couldn't recall the details. But I do remember that year very well. He joined up the month Bobby Sands died. Now you don't have to support the IRA to realise the British Army was not some impartial observer doing social work among the natives. I'd assumed he had some crisis or breakdown? All very odd.

DisforDarkChocolate · 24/06/2025 19:58

exasperatedflatmate · 24/06/2025 11:44

oh lordy. Paul Heaton is on my gig wishlist. I may have to rethink

Paul Heaton gigs are amazing and well priced, next time I'm hanging in the bar when Billy's on because he couldn't hear me heckling last time.

zanahoria · 24/06/2025 20:05

So finally walking through the door of that Army Recruiting Centre, I felt back in control again. I'd stopped drifting. I told the officer I had two conditions:

I bet the officer told him what to do with his conditions

zanahoria · 24/06/2025 20:06

I felt very culturally isolated; when Bob Marley died, I asked the corporal to stay up and watch the tribute on TV. His death was really tragic but no one else gave a hoot. What's more, having shown an affinity to black culture, I was scapegoated.

Poor Billy, victim of racism

zanahoria · 24/06/2025 20:10

Brezhnev had died

No he hadn't

He died in November 1982

OdeToRoy · 24/06/2025 23:29

DeanElderberry · 24/06/2025 11:30

Is it old men scolding women week or something? Bragg, Fry, O'Dowd - they're all in their mid 60s.

Not, I say hastily, that people in their mid 60s are not entitled to speak their (indeed our) minds on things, but all three of them rolled out at the same time? Is there something in the cocoa?

A bit younger but H from Steps has gunned for JKR this week. I bet that one’s hurt the most.

DisforDarkChocolate · 25/06/2025 07:13

I'd laugh if someone as irrelevant as H from Steps criticised me, heaven knows what JKR did (if she even knew who he was).

Arran2024 · 25/06/2025 10:16

DisforDarkChocolate · 25/06/2025 07:13

I'd laugh if someone as irrelevant as H from Steps criticised me, heaven knows what JKR did (if she even knew who he was).

Were you not blocked by him on X? He famously used a block list a few years ago and suddenly all the gender critics on X were blocked.

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zanahoria · 25/06/2025 10:44

OdeToRoy · 24/06/2025 23:29

A bit younger but H from Steps has gunned for JKR this week. I bet that one’s hurt the most.

Et tu? H from Steps

jaggededger · 25/06/2025 16:54

I used to love BB. He’s such an insufferable prick 🤦‍♀️

zerofeeling · 25/06/2025 17:20

I really hoped Kellie-Jay Keene would sue him for repeatedly saying she attended a nazi rally, he put her in serious harm's way.

He's a classic example of the political transactivist (same with Stewart Lee) who believes he can't be wrong about anything he supports because it's 'left wing'. Plus being a raging narc misogynist of course.

SionnachRuadh · 25/06/2025 17:24

H from Steps needs to keep himself in the public eye, lest everyone forget who he is and he loses the chance of becoming First Minister of Wales.