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BettyFilous · 23/06/2025 17:52

Arran2024 · 23/06/2025 11:37

This is what they do, but they have to be vetted by social services and apply to the courts. This takes ages. They want to avoid this by having the purchasing parents' names on the birth certificate.

This seems like an entirely proportionate way to ensure at least some basic safeguarding for the baby. I would hope these processes weed out violent and sex offenders and abusers, at least those with a record, plus people with other factors like alcohol dependence which would make them unsuitable carers.

Arran2024 · 23/06/2025 17:55

BettyFilous · 23/06/2025 17:52

This seems like an entirely proportionate way to ensure at least some basic safeguarding for the baby. I would hope these processes weed out violent and sex offenders and abusers, at least those with a record, plus people with other factors like alcohol dependence which would make them unsuitable carers.

In theory. The trouble is that the alternative is that the baby will be taken into care. There have been cases with older parents where the sws and the courts werent happy but the judge grudgingly allowed it. These people wouldn't be able to adopt.

PermanentTemporary · 23/06/2025 18:00

Article reads like a troll thread on MN - sounds as if they pitched ‘here’s an article that will stir up 500 angry comments by midday and you can sell that engagement’

lnks · 23/06/2025 18:04

Seeing as commercial surrogacy is illegal in the U.K., and the couples who go abroad are engaging in commercial surrogacy, I really believe they should not be allowed to bring these babies back to the U.K.

Christwosheds · 23/06/2025 18:44

I always find it sickening that the people commissioning the buying of a baby, deny the importance of the mother and baby bond. The same people deliberately use eggs from one woman and another for the pregnancy and birth, because they do know that there is a bond and hope to break it by losing the genetic link to the child in utero. It’s so inhumane , and completely wrong .

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 19:06

Arran2024 · 23/06/2025 11:10

I couldn't have children and I adopted.

Adoption rates are way down as people look into surrogacy instead.

Adoption is hard because the children available to adopt in the UK have mostly been removed by the courts, not relinquished, and have many difficulties, often related to foetal alcohol.

Gay couples and even single men are increasingly seeing surrogacy as a fertility treatment they can legitimately use to create a family. There are surrogacy seminars held in this country aimed specifically at men - these men are affluent and well able to afford it. The men buy eggs from elite athletes or supermodels or ivy league students then have embryos implanted into poorer women in say Mexico. They often have two surrogates at once, each carrying the child of each of the men. Or they find a surrogate who will have twins, with the embryos made from sperm from each of them. But also single men are commissioning babies.

Then there are the people in their 60s and even 70s doing it. There have been two recent cases where the courts were asked to grant parental rights to very elderly parents. One case, the "mother" had died, had been in a nursing home previous to that. The father was sending the child to boarding school as soon as possible.

There is so much dodgy business going on. People just dont turn up to collect the baby, change their mind and want the surrogate to have an abortion. They control everything the surrogate does, like what pain relief she can have during labour.

And the baby is treated like a package. We don't take puppies away at birth but babies are OK? Some of these kids will never know birth mum or dna mum. And they will told to be grateful to their parents for cresting them.

Adoption practice changed considerably when the impact of loss on the child was realised. Nowadays most UK adoptions have some kind of ongoing contact with birth family (another reason some people dont want to adopt). But surrogacy ignores this.

I could rant for hours about surrogacy! There are some good anti surrogacy accounts on X - SurrogacyConcern and StopSurrogacyNowUK. The gov has put surrogacy reform on hold for now but there are lots of people lobbying for changes. Ireland recently gave the surrogacy industry everything it wanted, partly driven by a gov minister who has a child born through surrogacy. We have to stay vigilant. There is concern that eg Stonewall will pivot to fertility rights now that they are struggling with trans rights.

Recently I also saw footage of a single man buying a baby.

I find it very hard to discuss or even think about what's happening out there, sometimes.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 19:15

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/06/2025 16:49

A Times journalist - Sophie Beresiner - wrote extensively in the paper about her surrogacy. It was reading her articles (usually on a Sunday if I recall) that alerted me to the issue. The comments were tightly moderated and only fawning responses were allowed. Any reservations / criticisms were immediately deleted. Discussed here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3920212-Sophie-Beresiner-The-Times-Baby-Born-from-Surrogate-Mother

There is, or was, someone else too. Male, had two children via surrogacy with his husband, works for the Times but not a journalist. There was one of those articles about them that also tries to sell the clothes they are photographed in. It might have been in the Sunday Times rather than the Times. I remember it but can't find it now. Comments were heavily moderated too.

illinivich · 23/06/2025 19:54

I think the brick wall for the viability for surrogacy in the UK is the requirement for a baby to be legally linked to its mother from birth.

I can't see this law changing, and i can see its the stumbling block for the commissioners, who dont want the risk of being left with no baby to take home.

I think the government should really crack down on surrogacy from abroad, which is only going to increase. The government need to protect the children from these foreign arrangements just as much as they do the children born here.

I can't see a way around it other than following countries that have banned foreign arranged surrogacy.

And get rid of the fudge that is commercial surrogacy is illegal, but you can have expenses.

zanahoria · 23/06/2025 21:56

There had been some reports that the law was being delayed because of concerns from the Department of Justice that it would leave Ireland in breach of a European Union directive on human trafficking.
In a statement, the department said it “does not have concerns about the commencement of the Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Act 2024 from an anti-human trafficking perspective”.
The statement said it had worked with the Department of Health to ensure the law “has sufficient safeguards to protect the rights of surrogate mothers, including from the threat of human trafficking”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/06/22/i-have-no-rights-to-him-mothers-of-children-through-surrogacy-wait-in-legal-limbo/

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https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/department-of-justice/

PennyAnnLane · 23/06/2025 22:50

What I can’t get past with surrogacy is that babies are so tiny and so uniquely vulnerable how could any woman carry and give birth to a baby and just hand them over to someone else, it’s hardwired into us to protect our children. The night I had my baby I sat on the hospital ward holding her and asked a midwife to stay with her if I needed the loo because I couldn’t bear to put her in the cot, I could only relax when my husband arrived the next day and I knew he was with her. I would wake in the night to check she was breathing for months after she was born. How can a woman be so detached as to hand a baby over to strangers, all the checks in the world will only tell you an abuser hasn’t been caught yet.

And for the children to know that possibly not one but two women who by any natural law should have loved, cared for and protected them had given them away without a care for their welfare by the time they were less than 24 hours old as if they were a bag of blood being donated.

holysmokee · 24/06/2025 17:37

Soontobe60 · 23/06/2025 16:42

Would you happily give away your child at 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years old?

No, obviously, but if you’re willing to be a surrogate you’re hopefully able to view them as the other couples child. I’m not saying it would be easy but I would do it- to give someone else the chance to be a parent is a pretty good reward.

The lady I know best that has been a surrogate doesn’t regret it at all, she is bonded with the whole family and is happy she made that decision. I think it’s a different story when you start monetising it.

SirEctor · 24/06/2025 18:00

Who does the baby see as its mother when its born?

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