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Police use controversial AI tool that looks at people’s sex lives and beliefs

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IwantToRetire · 19/06/2025 18:33

Senior MPs and privacy campaigners have expressed alarm at the deployment of Palantir’s AI-powered crime-fighting software with access to sensitive personal information

The document, obtained under freedom of information rules, shows how the Palantir system is designed to bring together dozens of existing law enforcement databases into a single computing platform to draw up detailed profiles of suspects, as well as collate information on victims of crime, witnesses, and vulnerable individuals including children.

Co-founded by the US billionaire, and Donald Trump adviser, Peter Thiel, Palantir already has contracts with the NHS and Ministry of Defence. It said its system did not amount to “predictive policing” – an ability to use AI to try to identify individuals at risk of offending – and that its policy was not to offer any such capability.

Full article https://inews.co.uk/news/police-use-controversial-ai-tool-sex-lives-beliefs-3747154

Police use controversial AI tool that looks at people’s sex lives and beliefs

Senior MPs and privacy campaigners have expressed alarm at the deployment of Palantir’s AI-powered crime-fighting software with access to sensitive personal information

https://inews.co.uk/news/police-use-controversial-ai-tool-sex-lives-beliefs-3747154

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DuesToTheDirt · 19/06/2025 20:59

AI can get in the bin.

I googled myself the other day, to see what information about me is online. There were a few websites listing me and a couple of other DuesToTheDirts, and then I saw one which summarises your LinkedIn profile. As I was watching, it rewrote my LinkedIn entry, followed by, "What are some common questions people ask about DuesToTheDirt?" (Obviously they don't, nobody cares.) Suggestions were something like, "Where is DuesToTheDirt working now?" "Where does DuesToTheDirt live?" and so on.

Obviously this information is already in the public domain, but I am not happy about it being rewritten in this way - or in the future collated from different websites. I think we need a way to opt out from our data being used by AI - or preferably an opt-in.

If you're on LinkedIn, try it.

IwantToRetire · 19/06/2025 21:08

To tell you the truth I was so hot when I posted it my brain was a bit soggy, and what I couldn't grasp is why the police would need this info.

Fair enough if it is about a previous conviction, or maybe having been a witness or reported a crime.

Why do they need everything else, including social media posts.

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DuesToTheDirt · 19/06/2025 21:12

Big Brother is here. Nothing we do is private. No error is forgotten. Nothing is forgiven.

Thelnebriati · 19/06/2025 21:21

Can we look at the info they hold on us?

MyLov · 19/06/2025 23:04

This is really worrying. We are sleepwalking into a dystopian film at the moment. As. Technology allows for more and more surveillance we need to ensure that that rights to privacy are protected and not eroded.

EmeraldRoulette · 19/06/2025 23:21

Quite confused about this

I can see that AI is going to look for all publicly available data

But why would that include health, finance, trade union records?

Doesn't that mean that those organisations are selling our data to Palantir? Though I suppose the NHS will do it 🙄

DrBlackbird · 19/06/2025 23:53

Palintir was given a ciontract for border control I believe l. It definitely works with the police and ICE in the US. Look up Alex Karp and his comments on killing people. He’s palintir’s CEO. There is nothing that they don’t want to know about us. Information is power. These men are power hungry. The other co-owner is Peter Thiel. Seems Miami has become the new Moscow where people seem to fall off balconies to their death. Sam Altman met his husband in Peter Thiel’s hot tub. It is a small cabal of men who want more money and more power via technology and data. The US is walking (racing) towards a techno authoritarian police state. It is worrying.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

IwantToRetire · 20/06/2025 01:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

Exactly. I kept thinking I must have missed some sentence in the article that would explain the legitimate purpose.

Are they just downloading info of social media platforms and creating groups of people with similar outlooks or something.

So when there is a mass rising of terfs they will know where to come and arrest us.

And wonder how they are saving the data about people who have transitioned.

But agree that given the origins of the software and the way in which US today makes big brother look like a rather sweet fairy story, and dont think this has been at all thought through.

You would have thought after all the information about how Musk broke every protocal and not cross sharing info in Government departments to protect people against the state that someone would have said lets take a moment and think about this.

Sometimes, a bit like Trump himself, too many people seem to think life is like how Hollywood portrays it. Just clever tech bros tracking down the bad guys, with never a suggestion that they are the bad guys because they have no social compass. It just all about the geekery.

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moto748e · 20/06/2025 01:19

I fear you may well be all too right, @IwantToRetire . These guys aren't in it for the good of humanity.

IwantToRetire · 20/06/2025 01:24

moto748e · 20/06/2025 01:19

I fear you may well be all too right, @IwantToRetire . These guys aren't in it for the good of humanity.

I suppose in that way they really are like a Hollywood move character.

They all seem to unempathetic, more interested in their tech competitions, and squeezing life into their formulaic view of what the world is about.

With any luck the world will end up made up entirely of Musk descendants in perpetual states of ego jousting.

We will have all been eradicated for not follow their tech defined way of life.

Grin
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EmeraldRoulette · 20/06/2025 01:25

@IwantToRetire the Reichenbach Falls episode of Elementary actually covers this in a way - in your previous post you mentioned tracking various groups so government could go and arrest them or find it easier to stop them gathering in the first place.

I won't do any spoilers but there's a tech bro billionaire character who plans to harness tech to anticipate crimes being committed, thinking this makes him a good guy. It's very sinister, but even as I was watching it years ago, I thought "this is exactly where we'll end up".

I suppose governments will sell all our information to these companies. We have been run by tech for a long time. But of course, those of us who said this were told we were conspiracy theorists.

PuddledPeople · 20/06/2025 01:25

I would like to use a nom de plume on LinkedIn. I don’t want wankers I went to school with 20+ years ago looking up my entire life, but I also need to make the most of opportunities through connections.

AI can call me Penelope Marguerite DeLonghi-Dragon!

GarlicMile · 20/06/2025 01:40

I stopped following this trail a few years ago, but Palantir has been badgering the UK (and presumably the rest of the world) for ages. It wants in on everything, and already is in too much. At first we refused to hand over NHS data, then agreed to 'anonymised' data - which Parliament was a bit slow to understand means little as the data can be re-matched. Now they've got tons of our info from various sources, are selling it back to us, have got many large contracts and are hungry for more. I think they're running our defence systems now, I'm not sure.

What Palantir can do is really very clever and has many useful applications. It's the fact that it's so fucking huge and multifaceted that makes it sinister. Tbh, Palantir's welcome to my beliefs, sex life, health and financial info: it's all on Mumsnet anyway! But it's not about me or any individual; it's the shadowy, ungovernable power of an organisation that reaches into all of our lives.

Morningsleepin · 20/06/2025 01:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

Indeed

IwantToRetire · 20/06/2025 01:47

it's the shadowy, ungovernable power of an organisation that reaches into all of our lives.

In some ways we already know that despite all the playing up of politics, it is really businesses that force the decisions that Government takes. And in a sense Trump is the end product of this. Demorcrat processes just shoved to one side and everything is busniness deals.

And is on one level quite overt.

But once it is hidden in computerised systems that we are told exist to make things easy for us, we are well on the way to having our lives managed. Or rather manipulated.

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Morningsleepin · 20/06/2025 01:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

Indeed

Morningsleepin · 20/06/2025 01:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

Indeed

Morningsleepin · 20/06/2025 01:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2025 00:56

How is this in line with the Data Protection Act, incorporating GDPR since the 2018 version?

Indeed

IwantToRetire · 20/06/2025 01:58

A quick chatGPT summary of Palantir

Palantir Technologies, a data analytics company known for its work with governments, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies, raises legitimate concerns about individual freedoms and democratic processes—though whether it is “dangerous” depends on how its technology is used, by whom, and with what oversight.

Here’s a breakdown of the main concerns:
🛡️ 1. Surveillance and Privacy Infringement
Palantir’s software can ingest, integrate, and analyze vast amounts of data from various sources (phones, social media, financial records, license plates, etc.). This makes it a powerful surveillance tool.

  • Risk: Governments or police using Palantir could surveil citizens on a massive scale without sufficient oversight, chilling free speech, association, and protest.
  • Example: Palantir’s software has been used by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in ways that critics argue enable mass deportations and invasive surveillance.
🕵️‍♂️ 2. Lack of Transparency Palantir often works behind the scenes, and the systems it builds are not always open to public scrutiny.
  • Risk: Citizens may not know they are being monitored, how their data is being used, or if it's accurate. There is little recourse if the system makes errors or enables discrimination.
  • Democratic Implication: Secretive systems make it difficult to hold public institutions accountable for misuse or abuse.
⚖️ 3. Potential for Political Weaponization Data tools like Palantir’s could be abused to monitor political opponents, activists, or journalists.
  • Risk: In the hands of an authoritarian-leaning regime or corrupt officials, it could be used to target dissent, suppress protests, or influence democratic outcomes.
  • Historical Analogy: Many compare this to prior instances where state surveillance (e.g., COINTELPRO in the U.S.) was used to disrupt civil rights movements.
🤖 4. Amplifying Bias and Inequality Palantir's tools rely on data that can reflect existing social biases (e.g., over-policing in minority neighborhoods).
  • Risk: Predictive policing and risk assessment algorithms might reinforce systemic inequality.
  • Example: If flawed data is used to guide decisions (e.g., bail or parole), it could lead to discriminatory outcomes.
✅ Counterpoints
  • Palantir itself does not arrest people or pass laws—it provides tools to governments, which may or may not use them responsibly.
  • The company has stated its commitment to Western democratic values and claims it refuses work with regimes that don't respect human rights.
  • In contexts like military operations, disaster response, and fraud detection, its technology can serve positive public purposes.
🧭 Conclusion Palantir is not inherently dangerous, but the scale and secrecy of its capabilities, paired with weak democratic oversight, pose significant risks. These risks depend heavily on how its tools are used, by whom, and under what legal and ethical frameworks. If misused, Palantir's software can become a powerful instrument of surveillance and control, undermining civil liberties and democratic accountability.

(It asked is I wanted more info and i said no, that was enough for a night of night mares, to which it replied:

Totally fair! It is the kind of topic that makes your brain go, “Wait… how much do they know about me?” Hopefully it won’t haunt your dreams too badly—maybe just enough to inspire a healthy skepticism of terms like “data integration platform.”

If you ever want to dive into lighter topics (or conspiracy-free bedtime stories), I’m here. Sleep well and watch out for the metadata 👀💤

(Am I right to find these sort of chatty interactions nearly as creepy as know some computer system knows more about me that I do. My only consolation is that the NHS is so full of really badly designed databases that are exclusive to each trust, that no one will ever now my health history. Wait a moment, wouldn't I benefit from my total health history being shared so that should i fall ill in an area outside of my health trust, my details will be available Confused )

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moto748e · 20/06/2025 02:04

Creepy, yes.

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2025 11:27

If it saves one child ...

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 20/06/2025 12:17

I found it interesting just how wrong the data-scraped AI summary I saw of the recent WI / overstitching story was.

If I was a police officer relying on that summary then I would likely be arresting the wrong people.

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 20/06/2025 12:29

GarlicMile · 20/06/2025 01:40

I stopped following this trail a few years ago, but Palantir has been badgering the UK (and presumably the rest of the world) for ages. It wants in on everything, and already is in too much. At first we refused to hand over NHS data, then agreed to 'anonymised' data - which Parliament was a bit slow to understand means little as the data can be re-matched. Now they've got tons of our info from various sources, are selling it back to us, have got many large contracts and are hungry for more. I think they're running our defence systems now, I'm not sure.

What Palantir can do is really very clever and has many useful applications. It's the fact that it's so fucking huge and multifaceted that makes it sinister. Tbh, Palantir's welcome to my beliefs, sex life, health and financial info: it's all on Mumsnet anyway! But it's not about me or any individual; it's the shadowy, ungovernable power of an organisation that reaches into all of our lives.

Yes, the idea of anonymised data might seem a noble one; but then they demand a whole load of metadata - supposedly for worthy diversity monitoring purposes - which makes it the easiest thing in the world to narrow it back down and pinpoint you.

It reminds me of that scam warning advert they had on TV a few years ago - featuring Diane Morgan - where her character was posing as somebody from the victim's bank. She asked for the 1st and 3rd digits of their PIN, which they gave, then she momentarily distracted them (with a sneeze iirc) and said "Oops, sorry about that... so it was just the 2nd and 4th digits of your PIN".

Only the other week, there was a thread on here where the OP was asked to fill in a survey which had the very real potential to 'out' anybody with GC views. In theory, that was all anonymous, but it also asked for details such as your sex, race, age-group etc. - and she was the only white female in the organisation.

As with any changes to the law, you don't really have to worry greatly about big concerns NOW; it's what it opens the door to and morphs into a few years down the line.

Mrsbloggz · 20/06/2025 12:29

Wait a moment, wouldn't I benefit from my total health history being shared so that should i fall ill in an area outside of my health trust, my details will be available
And that is how they will get us isn't it, the only way to access services that we need will be to surrender our data so that they can scan and surveill us for signs of pre-crime😨

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