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We’ve just lost our space — 2 days before our event

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LCommunity · 12/06/2025 12:28

We applied back in May to hold a small lesbian social at Potters Fields Park.
The Temporary Event Notice was approved.
Today, with only 2 days to go, they’ve pulled it.
Why?
Because the word lesbian appeared.
They’ve now called it “political”.
It wasn’t a protest. Just a chance for women to meet, sit outside, and build some safe space.
Their lease bans “religious or political” events. Somehow, a lesbian meet-up has been put in that category.
We’re not cancelling. We’ll simply move to the public pavement just outside the park.

If anyone’s curious or wants to understand more, full details are here: https://thelcommunity.com/pavement-bar/

We’ve just lost our space — 2 days before our event
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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:35

Myalternate · 12/06/2025 12:36

How is it a religious or political event?
Absolutely ridiculous 😵‍💫

Exactly. Nothing religious, nothing political — just lesbians trying to hold a simple outdoor meet-up like any other community would. The “political” excuse came after the fact.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:36

akkakk · 12/06/2025 12:58

I can see that the event is not a political event - however, it was set up in response to / in protest against the decision to not allow the original space (railway arches IIRC), which I can understand them classifying therefore as political...

Wars can be won strategically, but there will still be skirmishes and battles to fight...

I hear you but worth being clear: the event was already fully applied for before any denial. It wasn’t organised as a reaction or protest it only became an issue when the word lesbian triggered extra scrutiny. That’s why we’re calling it out.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:39

OuterSpaceCadet · 12/06/2025 13:17

It's bitterly unfair.

It really is. We followed all the normal processes. The only thing that made it “political” was them seeing the word lesbian.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:39

Kinsters · 12/06/2025 13:25

I'm so sorry that your event has been cancelled with no notice. It does sound like they're genuinely sorry but have their hands tied. It sucks though.

Exactly. It does sound like the individuals were uncomfortable but boxed in. The problem is higher up something about lesbians gathering triggers gatekeeping that wouldn’t happen for any other group.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:40

viques · 12/06/2025 13:28

Do they think lesbians are some sort of order of nuns ?

Honestly sometimes it feels like that’s exactly how they see us. We’re simply trying to exist, in public, like anyone else.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:40

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 12/06/2025 13:43

I suppose I can see their point of view. Lesbians meeting up without male supervision has become a controversial politically charged issue, even if it bloody shouldn't be.
They're still wrong.

That’s exactly the problem. Lesbians meeting in public shouldn’t be controversial. But suddenly our existence without male supervision gets framed as political.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:41

Bluebootsgreenboots · 12/06/2025 16:40

That’s shit, so sorry.
so if you can’t have a lesbian picnic, what kind of event could you have? A ladies’ tea dance? A women only knitting and beer festival? Women only tiddlywinks competition? Women only menopause information festival?
Or is anything women only now political?

This is exactly what we’re up against. Any women-only space suddenly gets interrogated. If it’s lesbian, even more so. The rules shift the moment it’s us.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:41

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2025 16:50

They’ve made it ‘political’.
discriminating against a social event for lesbians in Pride month of all times, for shame.

Exactly they made it political. We simply applied for a small social event, exactly as anyone else would. But once they saw the word lesbian, everything shifted.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:42

IwantToRetire · 12/06/2025 18:31

Its only political if you are a TRA or an institution that has been transed.

I wonder if they would have taken the same decision if the event was just for gay men. ie biological men who are sexually attracted to biological men.

I bet they wouldn't.

I would say this is double discrimination. On the protected characteristics of sex and sexuality.

Have you tried contacting the LGB Alliance for advice and / or support.

Not sure who else has the clout to get them to work with due equality.

Have they explained why it was first said to be okay and now isn't?

Or if you dont mind doing it, contact the Telegraph. Might seem strange but they have been good about publicising events or situations where women, lesbians have been discrimiated against.

You're spot on. We highly doubt the same would’ve happened if it were a gay men’s event. And yes this falls under both sex and sexual orientation discrimination. We’ve started reaching out for legal advice and media coverage. The sequence was: approved first, pulled later. That’s part of the issue. Thank you for the Telegraph suggestion we may well take that route.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:43

angelinawasrobbed · 12/06/2025 18:33

Will JKR back you to sue them?

We don’t know. But the wider public pressure is starting to build and every bit of visibility helps.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:45

FumingTRex · 12/06/2025 19:19

I think you can challenge that decision, as “political” in that context would usually mean party political, eg a rally promoting one party.

It doesn’t mean anything that could be the subject of political debate, as that could cover almost anything. For example, I saw a dance show in that same rough area that was all about gay/lesbian couples in ballroom dance.

Exactly the definition of “political” they’re hiding behind makes no sense here. We applied for a private social meet-up, nothing party-political, no campaigning, no public speeches. The decision was discriminatory, not procedural.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:45

GallantKumquat · 12/06/2025 21:14

When people talk of the homophobia of the trans movement, it's often heard as an exaggeration akin to the 'trans genocide' rhetoric on the other side of the debate. But as this case illustrates, it is a literal attempt to invoke law and regulation to prevent public, same-sex gatherings of women. Immediately before the SC ruling lesbians had greater state disapprobation than they did in the mid 20th century. That's not news to anyone here of course, but it's still worthwhile to point out from time-to-time how warped this situation is. That it's real homophobia, not figurative, and that it was exercised in practice and not just a theoretical potentiality.

Completely agree. This isn’t some abstract debate. It’s real-world homophobia being exercised through policy to stop lesbians gathering. That’s the pattern. Quiet until we meet in public then suddenly it’s a problem.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:45

Slothtoes · 12/06/2025 21:23

Yes, good suggestion to contact LGB Alliance. And good that you will go ahead in some form.
It is absolutely disgusting that lesbians getting together is now seen as something controversial. Those entitled men’s sexual rights campaigners are sending society so far backwards

Yes that’s exactly the issue. The fact that lesbians meeting for a picnic now counts as “controversial” shows how far backwards we’re being pushed. We are moving forward with legal advice and external support.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:46

WaterThyme · 12/06/2025 21:31

What stalls are allowed to appear? Many community groups are political at some level.

Exactly plenty of groups with some political aspect are allowed stalls and space. But somehow lesbians quietly meeting for a drink triggers a different standard.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:46

Gattopardo · 12/06/2025 22:09

I think that email was a very carefully worded way of telling you how your event could go ahead - ie, contact Southwark Park and Burgess Park.

That’s exactly how we read it too. The subtext was clear: “Go elsewhere.” But no actual policy breach just quiet deflection.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:47

MarieDeGournay · 12/06/2025 22:52

It might be relevant that there are two reps of Southwark Council on the Board of Directors of the Trust that manages Potters Field Park
About Us - Potters Fields Park

The Trust reserves the right to refuse any event at its absolute discretion. The Park cannot be hired for organised vigils, memorials, rallies, protests or any political, religious or campaigning events.
I suppose they might have been able to justify cancellation by identifying it as 'campaigning' event, but they went for the more questionable 'political'.

They came to the conclusion that it was not a permitted event very late in the day, didn't they? They clearly say they were influenced by outside sources.

I'm really sorry this has happened to your event, LCommunity.

Yes the timing, the wording, and the influence from outside pressure all point to the same issue. They didn’t cite any rule breach originally. Only after seeing the word lesbian did “political” get applied. Thank you for the detail very useful.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:48

MagicMichaelCaine · 12/06/2025 22:58

That message doesn't say anything about lesbians though. It's talking about a protest.

Is this just an entirely unrelated social get together for lesbian women or is it actually a reaction/protest of previous events?

The cancellation email didn’t mention lesbians but our original, fully approved application did. The moment that word appeared, everything shifted. That’s the reality we’re dealing with.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:49

Myalternate · 12/06/2025 23:05

It’s a Public Open Space…anyone can take a picnic and mingle with other women.
Would they try to prevent members of the public from gathering for a picnic?

Exactly it’s a public open space. People picnic there all the time. The only thing different here was lesbians gathering under that name. That’s what triggered the problem.

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LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:51

IwantToRetire · 13/06/2025 01:17

I have assumed and OP can of course clarify, that this event is not just a chance for lesbians to socialise but also a may of making available the type of event that had the Council not stopped it, have taken place in the physical space the L Community was refused a lease for.

There was a thread about it and cant remember the reason why the Council refused. But the implication was because it was to be a social space for lesbians (as now confirmed by the Supreme Court to be biological women attracted to other biological women!).

That’s a good summary and yes, I can clarify: this was simply a social event for lesbians to meet and socialise, nothing more. It wasn't linked to the previous lease issue but the pattern keeps repeating: whenever lesbians try to organise something public and female-only, barriers appear. This time, “political” was the excuse.

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akkakk · 13/06/2025 07:47

LCommunity · 13/06/2025 06:36

I hear you but worth being clear: the event was already fully applied for before any denial. It wasn’t organised as a reaction or protest it only became an issue when the word lesbian triggered extra scrutiny. That’s why we’re calling it out.

Sorry, my message was not 100% clear - very supportive of you and feel that this probably needs to be fought - definitely hits issues with legality… however I think they feel they have an out with the concept of ‘being political’ and as always it is difficult to prove why someone makes a decision even if you know full well why they did!

Slothtoes · 13/06/2025 07:47

OP thank you for all your replies. You’re not some kind of banned terror group FFS.

I forgot to say- please before you spend any money on legal advice, go to the EHRC. It’s literally their job to help/force organisations to implement the Equality Act. They also need to know- while they are drafting up guidance- that these are the sorts of ploys that captured organisations will use, to try to break the Equality Act.

The Supreme Court clarification gives these captured organisations nowhere to hide though. There’s nothing wrong with women getting together without men and never has been. but since they won’t listen to women’s groups let the EHRC give them a call.

SinnerBoy · 13/06/2025 07:59

I'm sorry you've been stuffed like this and wish you well in securing redress. In my opinion, this is deliberate, a TRA has seen it and sat on it until now, knowing that there's very little you can do in two days.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 13/06/2025 08:11

This is shit, I’m sorry

it’s such blatant homophobia and sexism. I really don’t see how the people who do this can believe (as I’m sure they do), that they are on the right side of history

Delores Umbridge comes to mind

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 13/06/2025 08:29

Slothtoes · 13/06/2025 07:47

OP thank you for all your replies. You’re not some kind of banned terror group FFS.

I forgot to say- please before you spend any money on legal advice, go to the EHRC. It’s literally their job to help/force organisations to implement the Equality Act. They also need to know- while they are drafting up guidance- that these are the sorts of ploys that captured organisations will use, to try to break the Equality Act.

The Supreme Court clarification gives these captured organisations nowhere to hide though. There’s nothing wrong with women getting together without men and never has been. but since they won’t listen to women’s groups let the EHRC give them a call.

Edited

Good idea, except that in our (the NHS audit group’s) experience, the EHRC have their hands beyond full. There aren’t enough of them, and they are already fighting fires on many fronts. Yes, worth lodging a complaint with them, for a paper trail, but I suspect they will not be able to actually do anything at this point.

123ZYX · 13/06/2025 08:50

Can you see when their policy introduced the “non-political” requirement?

As an example, there was a climate rally there in 2007
https://web.archive.org/web/20070708172130/www.christianaid.org.uk/stoppoverty/climatechange/march/carbonmarch.aspx

If the non-political requirement was in place then, it suggests that the reference to politics means party political, rather than “things people feel strongly about”

Edited to add, that was just from a quick google - there might be more recent events