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WEC to question the EHRC Chair and Chief Executive 11 June 2025 2:20pm

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IwantToRetire · 09/06/2025 18:13

The Women and Equalities Committee (WEC) will question the Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Baroness Falkner of Margravine in Parliament on Wednesday, 11 June during its annual scrutiny session of the EHRC.

Venue: The Thatcher Room, Portcullis House
Watch live: Visit parliamentlive.tv Women and Equalities Committee

The Women and Equalities Committee (WEC) will question the Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Baroness Falkner of Margravine in Parliament on Wednesday, 11 June during its annual scrutiny session of the EHRC.

MPs on the cross-party committee, chaired by Labour MP Sarah Owen, will discuss the EHRC’s work and resources and wider equalities policy, including the implications of the For Women Scotland Supreme Court judgment and the EHRC’s subsequent consultation on the Code of Practice.

The Committee will hear from the EHRC’s Chief Executive, John Kirkpatrick, alongside Baroness Falkner.

Witnesses
Starting at 2.20pm
Baroness Kishwer Falkner of Margravine, Chair, Equality and Human Rights Commission
John Kirkpatrick, Chief Executive, Equality and Human Rights Commission

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/news/207403/wec-to-question-the-ehrc-chair-and-chief-executive/

(I came across this by chance whilst looking for a date for the WEC interview with Mary-Ann Stephenson but could find nothing - anybody know when it will be.)

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Anzena · 11/06/2025 16:35

Not in UK, but following the thread, and thanks to contributors.

What is the purpose of this Committee please, can it hire, fire, rewrite the guidance, what?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 16:36

No it can’t really do much that I’ve seen.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 16:39

Is part of the problem that many women and girls do not care about the rights that they have fought for as a sex?

Should schools be teaching this rather than teaching about the recently invented rainbow of gender identities

WithSilverBells · 11/06/2025 16:39

SionnachRuadh · 11/06/2025 16:34

What we have here is a room full of feckless MPs who don't like the SC ruling that makes trans identified males sad; who could push for legislation to reflect their viewpoint but know there's little appetite from the government for that; and who are trying to badger the EHRC into finding ways for the law to be ignored.

Select committees usually do a fairly good job, but I've seen nothing to undermine my view that the WEC is parliament's Muppet Show.

Little appetite from the public too

Cailleach1 · 11/06/2025 16:44

The MP from Wales just professed the ‘talking in tongues’ prayer. “Men are women, women are men and, there are people who are neither men or women.” (I’ve put it in the Plain English version).

Penis pandering gender Pentecostalists. Never was anti-science so progressive!

illinivich · 11/06/2025 16:45

Its obvious we aren't sending our brightest onto parliament.

The EqA is a law made up by Parliament. The SC has ruled what the EqA was written to mean. The EHRC write guidance in response to that ruling.

I dont think some on thr committees understand that Parliament wrote the law.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 16:46

Has Bridget Philipson had one of these sessions in the same way as Kemi Badenoch had, anyone know?

SionnachRuadh · 11/06/2025 16:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 16:46

Has Bridget Philipson had one of these sessions in the same way as Kemi Badenoch had, anyone know?

She's had one session, which I haven't watched yet: 12 February 2025 - Work of the Minister for Women and Equalities - Oral evidence - Committees - UK Parliament

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 16:49

Thanks @SionnachRuadh

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 16:50

illinivich · 11/06/2025 16:45

Its obvious we aren't sending our brightest onto parliament.

The EqA is a law made up by Parliament. The SC has ruled what the EqA was written to mean. The EHRC write guidance in response to that ruling.

I dont think some on thr committees understand that Parliament wrote the law.

.... but tans people have been ignoring the law for years and no one can tell ..
... so that's OK ...
... that's how law works, right? ...

... you know, every one breaks the speed limit on motorways ...
... they've done it for years ...
... so if you get pulled over, the law doesn't really apply ...

I need to try that if I get pulled over for speeding
Pretty sure how the law will view it

Paulo1 · 11/06/2025 16:54

IwantToRetire · 11/06/2025 14:59

Do NOT follow Sex Matters advice to cut and paste.

You response will be binned.

Just a reminder as this is a known issue with consultations.

@IwantToRetire Thank you for all of your posts and hard work in this space
In relation to the post quoted how do you know this and has Sex Matters commented on this?

TheOtherRaven · 11/06/2025 16:57

The Women and Equalities Committee is in fact the Trans Committee. We might as well all be honest about this.

SionnachRuadh · 11/06/2025 16:58

Key questions and answers from the earlier ministers' evidence session - no prizes for guessing who asked them:

Rosie Duffield: Anneliese, I am going to focus on employment law, which you have said is your area. Obviously, there is no way we can comment on current cases, but you will be aware of the tribunal involving nurse Sandie Peggie, and the Darlington nurses’ case. Do you agree that they have important implications for the operation of single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act with regard to women’s privacy and dignity in the workplace?

Anneliese Dodds: Of course, the case that was mentioned is one that is currently in the courts, so it would not be appropriate for me to comment on it. Furthermore, it relates to the Scottish NHS, which is an area that is devolved to the Scottish Government. However, on the broader issue of single-sex exceptions, the new Government have been very clear that we back the Equality Act. Initially, that Act was a Labour Government Act—it was one of the last actions of the previous Labour Government. We are determined to ensure that there is clarity around this. Of course, there is the ability for service providers to ensure that they provide single-sex services, and we have been seeking to ensure that that is very clear. For example, I visited a single-sex women’s refuge quite soon after I started in post to make sure that the Government are making that message clear as well.

Rosie Duffield: Thank you. What are your views on clarifying sex in the Equality Act, as called for by Sex Matters and the 100,000 people who have signed the petition?

Anneliese Dodds: It is really important that there is clarity around particularly what service providers understand of the law. We have been seeking to try to ensure that, especially around the availability of single sex services, where they are required. Of course, that applies in conditions like the one I mentioned—refuges—and other circumstances where it may be particularly important for safety and privacy, and we have been making that very clear. There is also the ongoing For Women Scotland case, which is specifically about these issues related to the definition of sex within the Equality Act. Colleagues will understand that I cannot go into that in detail, but we are very clear that there has to be clarity around this so that service providers, in particular, understand what the law means.

Rosie Duffield: You will also be familiar with the settlement reached last month—so it is no longer an ongoing case—between Eleanor Frances and two Government Departments. She was forced out of her career in the civil service because of her gender-critical views. These Departments, having spent six-figure sums of taxpayers’ money to resolve the case, are now overhauling their policies to ensure that they are lawful. What steps is your Department taking to ensure that lessons are learned from these cases and that no more taxpayers’ money is wasted to defend unlawful policies?

Anneliese Dodds: Well, policies must be lawful rather than unlawful— that is, of course, important. In fact, there is now case law making it clear that belief is a protected characteristic, as we know, again going back to the Equality Act, which was produced by the previous Labour Government. Obviously, as a new Government, we also want to make sure that taxpayers’ money is protected, and that is going to be very important.

Rosie Duffield: One tiny last question: Bridget, have you or any of the other Ministers engaged with the sex equality and equity network—the SEEN groups—across the civil service?

Anneliese Dodds: I am not completely sure what comes under that definition. I have met with a number of groups within the Foreign Office who have asked me to meet with them. That has included, for example, the cancer network. I have also met with the LGBT+ network. I was particularly keen to have a discussion with it because, of course, in many countries we see that homosexuality, for example, is illegal, and that there can be very unsafe environments for gay, lesbian, bi and trans people, and it was important for me to understand that situation for those staff.

Bridget Phillipson: I am not aware that I have, but I am happy to check and come back on that point. Just to re-emphasise the point that Anneliese was making around the approach that the Government take in these areas, when it comes to single-sex exemptions, we want providers to have absolute clarity on what is covered by the law. Before I was an MP, I managed a women’s refuge. I know how incredibly important it is that women have access to safe, timely and dignified support. I want to make sure—and we do across Government—that everyone who requires support in whatever context gets what is required while being clear that there are circumstances in which single-sex provision is absolutely legitimate and necessary under the law. I want to be absolutely clear on that point.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 17:00

Do the videos of these parliamentary committee sessions get archived for ever?

It would be interesting to see a transcript and try to highlight and correct the misinformation that is presented in some of the questioning.

Perhaps if some of the questioners are held to account they will be spurred to better understand the issues?

BlueLegume · 11/06/2025 17:00

Very much dipping my toe in here - very new to voicing anything on this subject so please be gentle.

Watched this afternoon with interest. Have we really got to a point in the world where if we do support the rights of women and girls then we are automatically labelled transphobic? Is there not a space where I can be passionate about incredibly hard fought for women’s and girls rights but also be passionate about ensuring those uncomfortable with their assigned gender are also protected? I also care that my sons rights as men are protected and with that my elderly parents rights to be cared for in a compassionate manner whilst taking in their wishes. I also care that animals are protected.

I speak as someone who wants everyone in life to have rights to avoid discrimination. How you present to me is, and I may use the wrong word here - irrelevant. How you behave towards me and fellow humans/ animals matters.

I understand the SC ruling has divided many BUT some of the TRA do seem incredibly hostile. Apologies in advance if I have worded this wrongly but surely we cannot all be expected to ‘pick a lane’ and just stick to it for fear of being labelled transphobic.

Finally - the loud voices from the TRA seem to be male to female presenting. There must be many female to male who seem to not be so vocal. Have I misread that dynamic?

SionnachRuadh · 11/06/2025 17:03

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 17:00

Do the videos of these parliamentary committee sessions get archived for ever?

It would be interesting to see a transcript and try to highlight and correct the misinformation that is presented in some of the questioning.

Perhaps if some of the questioners are held to account they will be spurred to better understand the issues?

Yes, and there are handy transcripts in both HTML and PDF format, just in case anyone wants to correct a questioner!

usedtobeaylis · 11/06/2025 17:05

usedtobeaylis · 10/06/2025 18:59

Is the WEC going to question them about women or about trans people?

I guess this has been well and truly answered 🙄

I agree with PP that any briefs about women should be kept entirely separate from other equalities briefs.

IwantToRetire · 11/06/2025 17:06

Anzena · 11/06/2025 16:35

Not in UK, but following the thread, and thanks to contributors.

What is the purpose of this Committee please, can it hire, fire, rewrite the guidance, what?

I think the purpose of Parliamentary Committees is to get more information into the House of Commons as each Committee focuses on different issues, eg Foreigh Affairs.

And obviously MPs on Committees will have different opinions.

But what they aren't supposed to, which is what happened at this committee, is for MPs to try and make one person responsible for a Court ruling.

For instance as Baroness Falkner is the Chair of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission they could have asked in light of the supreme court ruling not only how the ruling could be implemented, what the implications were, would it be better to have a better worded act etc..

And then as MPs on the WEC put forward a proposal to the Government that it would be better if this or that was changed.

Trying to make out that the only issue was the interim guidance, which is the job of the EHRC, was the problem was basically thowing a hissing fit and signally to TRAs that they are on their side.

Rather than admit that they had been and still are misleading members of the trans communities what rights they have.

Which is that less than 10,000 people in the UK with GRCs can now no longer use single sex toilets, sex segregated sport.

They totally failed to do the job.

And with the exception of a tiny number of the committee were rude, hostile and deriding to someone they are meant to work with.

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Bluebrain · 11/06/2025 17:06

Given the ambitions and the detail (or not) of today's Spending Review, Do any of the delude persons really think Parliament will have the time or the energy to put serious effort into debating variations on Aggravated CosPlay?
My money says no.

JanesLittleGirl · 11/06/2025 17:07

I'm guessing that most of the committee members are hard of hearing and think that they are sitting on the Women's Inequality Committee.

IwantToRetire · 11/06/2025 17:13

Paulo1 · 11/06/2025 16:54

@IwantToRetire Thank you for all of your posts and hard work in this space
In relation to the post quoted how do you know this and has Sex Matters commented on this?

If you are talking about copy and paste this has been a well known fact for years.

And in fact because the TRAs sent in so many obviously duplicate responses to the consultation on the GRA and self ID many of them got dumped. So although in number there were more pro self id responses, the GC response became the majority.

Duplicate response are taken to either be the work of a well financed campaign group, or from people who dont care enough to respond with their own words.

Sex Matters should know this. And I have in the past tried to contact them but basically months later just go a short reply saying they dont have time to answer emails!

I could post on their facebook page or someone else could on X but in a way dont want to do as it would alert the TRAs wh hopefully will commit the same blunder as they did last time. So if anyone knows how to contact Sex Matters please do.

Unfortunately having it on their web site also makes it to easy for it then to become an issue.

Quite honestly given the number of threads on here, cant see why any on here cant just write a response that is genuinely theirs.

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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 11/06/2025 17:17

SionnachRuadh · 11/06/2025 17:03

Yes, and there are handy transcripts in both HTML and PDF format, just in case anyone wants to correct a questioner!

Perhaps the base material for a poster campaign?

IwantToRetire · 11/06/2025 17:27

Having now got a headache from trying not to get angry I am also left thinking that in fact all of this will lead to nothing.

The Labour MPs will just be happy to have shown their TRA constituents how on message they are, but wont do anything they could do. ie get the Government to challenge the Surpreme Court of get the Government to reword the EA.

And as they all behaved as advertised by their previous public statements I really didn't need to watch and listen in reall time.

Sigh.

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2025 17:28

A bunch of MPs - who write the law are hauling a bunch of people who enforce the law over the coals because they don't like the law.

The law has been clarified by the highest court in the land but these MPs are saying this clarification is an interim one (it's a final judgment) and they don't like it.

The judges who made the ruling can only rule on the basis of the law made by MPs. The law must apply to everyone equally in all situations unless there are explicitly written exemptions. Exemptions that are made by MPs. They can not rule a particular way because of their own views. In the UK our judges are not politically aligned. The judges said in their summing up that they couldn't rule any other way as otherwise it would completely destroy any legal protections for lesbians and women and transpeople themselves.

And yet, the very people who should know the three pillars of democracy and how the courts and parliament work together, are here saying that a body that takes direction direct from the courts is being unfair.

These MPs are either incredibly stupid or incredibly cynical in trying to shift blame from themselves - who have the power to change the law. However they know they can't because in doesn't have public support. Thus if this is the game they are playing - trying to play both sides if you will, they are doing the same thing as Trump.

I honestly do not know which it is. Tbh I am past caring. It's irrelevant. I hold them in the highest of contempt whichever it is. THEY are the problem. Not women who object.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2025 17:30

IwantToRetire · 11/06/2025 17:27

Having now got a headache from trying not to get angry I am also left thinking that in fact all of this will lead to nothing.

The Labour MPs will just be happy to have shown their TRA constituents how on message they are, but wont do anything they could do. ie get the Government to challenge the Surpreme Court of get the Government to reword the EA.

And as they all behaved as advertised by their previous public statements I really didn't need to watch and listen in reall time.

Sigh.

Yes, I agree it’s mostly just signalling.