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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGBT Libdems demand puberty blockers for children, and no chemical castration

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ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 07:39

https://archive.ph/Uyjgl

Statement for Pride month. Under the auspices of bodily autonomy.

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zanahoria · 02/06/2025 08:13

minnienono · 02/06/2025 07:58

@SocksShmocks

i noticed the folks too - making me think it’s cut and pasted from an American group with only a bit changed. Never seen a semi legal statement with folk in it in the U.K.

It has been

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 08:14

SionnachRuadh · 02/06/2025 07:59

Lib Dems: we're against chemical castration for nonces, even nonces who volunteer for it as part of rehabilitation

Also Lib Dems: we're absolutely in favour of chemical castration for children caught up in a social contagion

With the two big legacy parties in freefall, and lots of people not quite willing to trust Reform, this moment should be a big opportunity for the Lib Dems. If they really prefer to be the Monster Raving Loony Party writ large, that's on them.

I think they made that choice a while back.

Gutted, tbh.

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Igneococcus · 02/06/2025 08:16

Unfortunately, we don't think it is possible for LGBT+ folks, and especially trans+ folks, or for gender non-conforming women to be able to coexist safely with the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Doesn't that mean, in turn, that if the ruling had gone the other way it wouldn't be possible for women to safely coexist with the ruling?

GreenFriedTomato · 02/06/2025 08:16

We don't need a trans -inclusive definition of Woman. It's already clearly defined and easy to understand for most sane people.

I'm also so sick of gender non conforming women being lumped in with trans and non binary. They are still women. And as a pp noted earlier, gender critical is all for gender non conformity. It's trans ideology that pushes ridiculous stereotypes.

As for demanding puberty blockers for children... These people are sick! I honestly think this movement will, in the future, be considered as twisted as PIE.

TheOtherRaven · 02/06/2025 08:18

Igneococcus · 02/06/2025 08:16

Unfortunately, we don't think it is possible for LGBT+ folks, and especially trans+ folks, or for gender non-conforming women to be able to coexist safely with the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Doesn't that mean, in turn, that if the ruling had gone the other way it wouldn't be possible for women to safely coexist with the ruling?

Yes, but thinking of that would require both the capacity for logic and breaking the first commandment of trans-allyship which is that you shall have no other god but trans.

turkeyboots · 02/06/2025 08:19

What on earth is this bit on about. We believe any Equality Act ... and to more fully protect disabled rights which were unintentionally rolled back by the Equality Act's passing.

Not a mention of disability again in the statement.

Floisme · 02/06/2025 08:20

I do hope this makes it into the next Lib Dem manifesto although I suspect it’ll be too batshit even for Ed Davey.

SionnachRuadh · 02/06/2025 08:20

I sometimes look at this photo of the Parliamentary Liberal Party in 1973 and think, my word, in retrospect this looks like a police lineup.

Amazing how often the present day Lib Dems arrive at a position that Jeremy Thorpe would have realised the voters wouldn't wear.

LGBT Libdems demand puberty blockers for children, and no chemical castration
PlasticAcrobat · 02/06/2025 08:23

"Folks" is interesting. I don't know about the US, but in the UK I often notice that it is used to soften the appearance of assertiveness in a situation of possible conflict, or to minimise the possibility that the objective conflicts will actually be perceived.

It seems aimed at replacing perceptions of hierarchy and/or real conflict with the illusion of total peaceful communality.

Ironically, my absolute go-to example of this sort of usage is that habit that MNHQ spokespeople used to have a decade or so ago when they posted on MN about forum policy, etc.

In those days, there was a very active attempt to position MN as a campaigning community (which was just incidentally an advertising industry entity), rather than as a business first and foremost. So any MNHQ pronouncement had to be made in communitarian terms. The more actual conflict there was on a given issue, and the more that HQ was (quite properly, of course) making its own top-down decisions about how to run the forum, the more instances there were of "folks" peppering their posts. It was quite entertaining.Grin

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2025 08:24

There's a very "clever" inclusion of kids in that list of groups they want to remove from the protections of Gillick, medical consent etc. Which suggests yet again that the lib dems still have a problem with predators in positions of influence:

"..we think it's vital to fully protect medical and bodily autonomy for all, including LGBT+ folks, the disabled, the pregnant, kids, and prisoners. As soon as bodily autonomy, Gillick competence, and medical consent is undermined for one group, it is undermined for us all".

Elifane · 02/06/2025 08:41

Up North we still say folk. But it's folk not folks and it's not a term of address. It's used as a collective noun for an anonymous or otherwise, hm, unclaimed? group. Folk do things, say things, believe things, over there, who knows why. Folk music belongs to no one and to us all. Folk wisdom is what they do say, but no one knows who says it, even if you're saying it yourself. There's nowt so queer as folk.

DragonRunor · 02/06/2025 08:44

Good grief, who is it in the LD party who has an interest in children being held in pre-puberty past the age of consent; and in ensuring women and children in a state of undress are available to any man who wants to join them?

Any reasonable person in the LD Party (and I believe there are many) needs to have a long, hard think about who they are associating with.

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:02

I'm quite startled by the inclusion of chemical castration in a statement ostensibly about LGBT rights. Why are paedophiles included in the category of LGBT people?

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ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:03

-I beg your pardon, the group is 'LGBT+ Lib Dems'. I had missed the plus sign on first glance.

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SionnachRuadh · 02/06/2025 09:04

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:03

-I beg your pardon, the group is 'LGBT+ Lib Dems'. I had missed the plus sign on first glance.

There's a wild lot of stuff that can hide under the plus.

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:05

I wanted to check who actually was in the LGBT+ group, but 'page is being updated'.

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive

Executive - LGBT+ Liberal Democrats

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive

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ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:06

Committee had previously been updated annually.

Nothing since 2023.

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive/former-executive-committees

Who is in charge of this group?

Former Executive Committees - LGBT+ Liberal Democrats

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive/former-executive-committees

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WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 02/06/2025 09:07

If anyone's read any academic papers about equity or genderwoo you'll notice the word they tend to use is "folkx" with an x on the end. The stem "folk" has basically been co-opted into pure virtue signalling to show how inclusive they are.

BundleBoogie · 02/06/2025 09:08

ErrolTheDragon · 02/06/2025 08:00

wtf don’t they think ‘gender non-conforming women’ aren’t happy with the ruling? Clearly they don’t know what ‘gender critical’ means, the dolts.

We should definitely bring back far more widespread use of the word ‘dolt’. It is perfect for this group and many others.

Do they not realise how insane they sound? (I’m guessing not)

its2346 · 02/06/2025 09:08

They’re falling into the trap of an overly expansive view of civil liberties, by arguing that limiting the ‘freedoms’ of one group limits us all. This was the same mistake ‘Liberty’ made in the 1970s wrt the Paedophile Information Exchange.

BundleBoogie · 02/06/2025 09:09

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:06

Committee had previously been updated annually.

Nothing since 2023.

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive/former-executive-committees

Who is in charge of this group?

My money is on Helen Webberley and Susie Green being in there somewhere. Maybe with Layla Moran.

BundleBoogie · 02/06/2025 09:11

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 09:02

I'm quite startled by the inclusion of chemical castration in a statement ostensibly about LGBT rights. Why are paedophiles included in the category of LGBT people?

Good question. It always seems to be the tras that jump to a link between them. Are they trying to tell us something?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/06/2025 09:11

BundleBoogie · 02/06/2025 09:09

My money is on Helen Webberley and Susie Green being in there somewhere. Maybe with Layla Moran.

I posted upthread to say Layla Moran is honorary president in surprise to no one

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/about/executive/honorary-officers

BundleBoogie · 02/06/2025 09:15

DragonRunor · 02/06/2025 08:44

Good grief, who is it in the LD party who has an interest in children being held in pre-puberty past the age of consent; and in ensuring women and children in a state of undress are available to any man who wants to join them?

Any reasonable person in the LD Party (and I believe there are many) needs to have a long, hard think about who they are associating with.

And tbf they are demanding ‘bodily autonomy’ for kids. We all know what that means!

So the + = PIE?

TheOtherRaven · 02/06/2025 09:16

MAP is an identity in the rainbow alphabet. Queering/destroying all boundaries is the key desire in GI. So yes, it's not accidental.