The Cass report - Peer review

[BeizenderKarneval]

There has been some peer review work done on the Cass review, something that a lot of us in the industry knew was problematic but that has been used by government and a number of notably outspoken individuals to justify their hateful positions

The results and conclusions are quite compelling, and I urge you to read them for yourselves:

Critically appraising the cass report: methodological flaws and unsupported claims

I find this section especially interesting:

“It undermines the legal competence of both children and adults to access medical treatment and dismisses almost all existing clinical evidence on trans people’s healthcare by applying impossible evidence standards which, if applied to other medicines would invalidate more than three quarters of the existing treatments used in paediatric care which, like puberty blockers, are currently being prescribed off-label.”

The report’s primary conclusions rest on excluding 98% of the relevant evidence on the safety and efficacy of puberty blockers and hormones for lack of blinding and controls.

What this means is that they require studies in which some patients are given the treatment, and others are unknowingly given placebos.
This is not only a clear breach of medical ethics and monstrous suggestion, but also impossible due to the obviousness of the impacts of puberty blockers and hormones.

The report also strays far beyond its scope and competence in recommending a review of adult services and in suggesting that young people ought to stay under the care of children and young people’s services until the age of 25.
The latter is based on highly questionable understandings of brain development which have been repeatedly debunked as an oversimplification of the constant changes in human neurology over the course of our lives.

This recommendation, especially in a context of an already broken system of care for both adults and children, has the potential to have a significant negative impact on the lives and wellbeing of trans people in the UK.
Underpinning this report is the idea that being trans is an undesirable outcome rather than a natural facet of human diversity.

This is clear not only from the recommendations but also from the exclusion of trans researchers from the design of the review process and the links individual members of the research team have to anti-trans groups, which the Cass team were warned about.

I look forward to an interesting dialogue.

You're fooling no one, fyi. If you know the paper you posted and work in 'the industry(?)' it shouldn't take long at all.

This is really fascinating and to see hard evidence for what I and others were alluding to before is amazing.

Reddit (and to a lesser degree Wikipedia) is a lie, run but a very small number of people, who want the world to be a certain way and are using unearned power and privilege to make it seem like it really is whatever mad shape they want this week.

I predict batshittery similar to “I can see that you are all too emotional/biased/hateful to continue this discussion here, what a shame” (insert insult of choice, ‘covert’ or otherwise), or an “ooh look - is that a badger?!” attempt at distraction (already tried it though).

Basically anything but addressing the points made.

unusually for MN, well thought out, superficially free of conditioned bias, and rational

Well. Just wow. The arrogant-patronising-denigrating tone is strong with this one. I hope you all know your place now and are ready to step back and admire the intellectual prowess of the Op deigning to grace this thread.

And appreciate Reddit for the bastion of intellectualism it represents. You can only hope to be allowed to post there one day if you’re a very good little woman.

Edited to add: Please understand that this sub-forum moves very, very quickly… what does this even mean? I’m wondering if the Op is a bot?

Ah, yes.

The OPs name is remarkably similar to that of a visitor who came by about 3 weeks ago, started a number of shit stirring threads, had an undignified tantrum and was escorted from the premises by MNHQ. I’m sure this is a coincidence

Might be worth letting MN know, but surely no one will attempt to circumvent their ban, the very thought!

See the OP's ignorance and bias has been clearly exposed, along with the bias from the discredited hit job attempted on Cass.

So much pointless sound and fury from all these men. 😑

From the conclusions of this peer reviewed article. My emphasis
'If the goal was to conduct a thorough overview of all extant knowledge on the subject, these limitations—apart from being incongruent with best practices in the absence of justification—obstruct that goal.

I think that the goal was to do a thorough REVIEW of all extant knowledge (discarding that which was a waste of space) and then do an OVERVIEW of the remaining (credible to at least some degree) evidence.

@BeizenderKarneval

You were ripped up for shit paper on a thread when you demanded that the English words "should" and "must" should/must be literally translated into their German approximates. I was prepared to give you reasonable doubt then (and also your claim that you needed absolute precision in everything because that is the German way). Given that need for precision, how can you possibly advocate this document?

Which thread was that?

"Beizender Karneval" translates into "caustic carnival" and yes we did have someone with a carnival-associated name around not that long ago.

Think OP has slunk back to their Reddit grumbling ‘if it wasn’t for you pesky MNers…’

@TangenitalContrivencesthank you for your brilliant work.

At least it was another opportunity to see the measured brilliance of the FWR contributors thoughtfully dissecting rubbish ‘research’.

Sorry that it took so long but technology decided to fuck me over:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5339057-houses-of-parliament-refuses-to-ban-trans-women-from-female-lavatories

Whilst we wait, patiently, for the OP to return and deliver the response they promised at half nine this morning would anyone like refreshments?

I'll play mother.

Unlike last time?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5339057-houses-of-parliament-refuses-to-ban-trans-women-from-female-lavatories?page=10&reply=144446923

Ha I had the same thought.

Well let's wait for @BeizenderKarneval to return.

Or not. Crickets? ;)

Thanks @JanesLittleGirl what is it with technology today, I can't even open one thread I made several posts to earlier.
I'm interested in the German language discussion, I shall go and have a read now, thanks.

It is still a bit surprising to me just how many people read these threads looking for the opportunity to be angry or dismissive or sad at the ‘hateful’ comments. I find it bemusing that so many ready-to-be-outraged posters tread the FWR boards looking for their chance to police the comments. Or perhaps not to say anything here but enjoy denouncing what they’ve read to their like-minded compatriots.

If you don’t agree with a particular stance or perspective, why read them at all? Is it the chance to demonstrate your superior intellect and affect control….

"You don't get this on corporate male focused forums like Reddit where opposing evidence is closed down and banned."

Not strictly on topic (we'll get back to that soon) but I have seen emotive and hateful comments like this a few times on MN.

How is a factual comment on being banned either emotive or hateful?

Dachschaden 🙄

Volltrottel.

I can play that game too.

I didn't manage to get back on last night; bad news took priority.

I did manage to find time to cross-reference and check @TangenitalContrivences and @Helleofabore information and very happy to see it has merit so, for the second time, thank you to them; and to the one or two other intelligent posters on this forum.

I think it's important to change our opinions in the face of updated facts, so my opinion on the Cass report validity has now changed. I'll also be feeding back some of this information to colleagues who are critical of said report.

the one or two other intelligent posters on this forum.

😂

Anyway, glad to hear you've updated your opinion, OP. The women on MN are unendingly patient and willing to share information and references. Generally helps if one isn't a patronising arse to begin with, though.

I don't know the German for 'patronising arse', but I can google it if need be.