More hyperbole from the MEN on trans rights and HRT

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It’s not HRT ffs. Nobody is denying your existence and what do you think actual women do when they can’t get HRT?

GenderGP, named in the article, and who can provide hormones for a fee, also have these warnings about stopping hormones.

Is there any other info on this?

https://www.gendergp.com/the-danger-of-withdrawing-hormones-from-trans-people/

From that article, they are demanding:

1. Uninterrupted access to hormones, just as we prioritize medication for chronic conditions, we must ensure hormone therapy is never arbitrarily stopped.

When there was a HRT shortage and women were struggling to get prescriptions filled, it was just "oh well, you'll just have to wait until the supply issues are sorted".

Yes. found that offensive when I read it.

No mate, it is nothing like comparable to not getting insulin.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/
'
Life after transition
Whether you've had hormone therapy alone or combined with surgery, the aim is that you no longer have gender dysphoria and feel at ease with your identity.
Your health needs are the same as anyone else's with a few exceptions:

• you'll need lifelong monitoring of your hormone levels by your GP
• you'll still need contraception if you are sexually active and have not yet had any gender surgery
• you'll need to let your optician and dentist know if you're on hormone therapy as this may affect your treatment
• you may not be called for screening tests as you've changed your name on medical records – ask your GP to notify you for cervical and breast screening if you're a trans man with a cervix or breast tissue
• trans-feminine people with breast tissue (and registered with a GP as female) are routinely invited for breast screening from the ages of 50 up to 71'

Dear me, they need to rename it to HDT; hormone DISplacement Therapy. Like others, I find it ridiculous that they are pretending it's analogous to insulin, they won't die, of be ill, if they can't get any.

Who else expects 'to be loved' as part of their NHS treatment? 🙄

Men who have had an orcarectomy (sp) do need hrt for life but that would be in the form of testosterone not oestrogen which would be cross sex hormones.
Also taking cross sex hormones causes all sorts of harm to your body including increased risk of cardio vascular disease and heart attack and strokes, it does not protect against them

Oh gosh yes, they'd go straight into menopause. Oh poor them....oh wait no its okay cos they are menz

It was the same for the best part of 8 months when we couldn't get my DS's adhd meds anywhere in Scotland all we got told was to just keep trying different pharmacies until we found 1 that had it, in the end we had to get his prescription changed to say the dose to made up of any number of tablets at a lower dose to make up his dose. At 1 point he had to take 3× 20mg tablets to get his 60mg dosage which will have caused a shortage of the 20mg meds for those who needed them.
But men who take a dose of cross sex hormones at about twice the dosage of women must be prioritised over women who need hrt don't you know

What's interesting to me is that if a woman has both ovaries removed, the recommendation is that they don't use HRT forever. It's actually a really complicated area. So you can be castrated in your 30's and by 50 there's an expectation that you just manage without HRT somehow, even though it's been shown that ovaries produce some oestrogen after menopause.

The risks of osteoporosis and cardiac disease are well documented for women in surgical menopause, and the younger you are when you have the surgery, the higher the risks are.

All of this just looks like men who describe themselves as women have stolen from the medical literature to support their demand for an unnecessary medication which only does 1 thing in men - it causes the growth of breast tissue. This is all about breasts and nothing else. If you stop, that tissue shrinks. That's why they want to keep taking it.

There are gel options which are really good. I'm also allergic to the glue on patches and have been onna gel hrt for years.
I agree with you, it's very frustrating to be in desperate need for hrt due to medical need and competing with men for the local supply.

Yes, calling it HRT is ludicrous.

As someone who is struggling to
-get a shared contract for ADHD meds for a child, and then if/when I get a prescription from whoever it's not guaranteed to be in stock
-obtain the contraceptive pill for another child from the pharmacist now that the GP is no longer prescribing them, which the pharmacist unhappy about and says isn't in stock anyway
-get HRT despite being mid 50s - I have to wait 4 weeks to read some leaflets and make sure I'm aware of all the risks

...welcome to my world!

On the plus side, there couldn’t be an acronym more perfect for a publication sympathetic to this issue:

NHS Greater Manchester Integrated Care Board confirmed to the M.E.N. that…

Becky’s reaction is so typical of the trans rights movement - thinking the problems they’re dealing with are all about the trans aspect specifically instead of looking at the bigger picture and questioning whether the GP might have had a similar response if the medication was ADHD medication, weight loss drugs, and so on.

Becky went private to circumvent waiting lists (totally fine, their choice) and then demanded that their GP enter into a shared care agreement to move to the cheaper NHS instead. Well that’s not how shared care agreements work, Becky. The doctor has to agree to providing the meds / working with the other provider, as you can’t force a doctor to prescribe treatments against their will on someone else’s recommendation.

Arguing that your wants should trump one of the most basic tenets of the medical profession demonstrates a(nother) profound lack of awareness within the trans community - it’s the NHS, not Selfridges, so the customer can’t always get exactly what they want.

The shared care conundrum is faced by probably thousands of non-trans people for all sorts of treatments and medicines -lots of people have to either negotiate with their GP to work out what might make them comfortable to proceed or to find a new GP in this situation, so this really isn’t just a trans issue.

Everyone who goes private to obtain long-term treatments runs the risk that they might have to pay forever, as an NHS GP has no obligation to take them over - I appreciate that one of the lies young trans people might have been sold is that “once you’re on the meds, your GP has no choice but to fund them”, but shared care agreements aren’t a blackmail tool to force a GP’s arm.

Oh no! Have you tried oestrogel? I have that as I knew I would hate patches. It has worked well for me and a few of my friends.

So tired of whining, entitled men while women are just told to put up and shut up.

Thank you, exactly.

Yes, this is a good point. This is a lot about the over stretched NHS as much as the eternal cry of transphobia.

And there's still people who think you're really a woman once you've had 'full surgery'

I think if fella's have their balls lopped off then they need to take hormones, this would typically be testosterone but obviously trans identified men will often prefer to use cross sex hormones. However this seems to be very unlikely in the case of the person in the article, if he had had his balls removed then I doubt the GP would leave him with no TRT so I conclude that this man probably doesn't know his arse from his elbow, like many of them they don't have the first clue about their bodies or biology or how things actually work, they live in la la land.

If anything use of cross sex hormones is a direct threat to his health as men using estrogen is not without some serious risks to their health which typically only increase as they age. Medical professionals only see it as a viable treatment for mental health reasons not because cross sex hormones are actually helpful or beneficial for these people in any real sense.

Precisely. Lots of women have had their repeat NHS prescriptions for thyroid medicine stopped by GPs as the NHS doesn't want to pay for T3.

Thyroid patients who need T3 are forced to buy it online or go private. Thyroid deficiency does lead to death over time.

The idea that trans people are somehow especially affected by these kind of issues is dishonest.

Or Sandrena gel sachets. My independent pharmacy can always can get oestrogen gel sachets from this manufacturer.

He's on testosterone blockers (puberty blockers) so still has his balls otherwise they'd be unnecessary. As such he's at no risk if his cross sex hormones and testosterone blockers are removed from him, infact he'd be much healthier

Men not needing HRT isn't entirely true. There are conditions that men suffer from that require it.

The problem is that for trans people it is (IMO) incorrectly named.