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Petty guardian bollox about the new Harry Potter series...

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mids2019 · 25/04/2025 16:58

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/apr/25/may-the-force-be-with-you-how-to-save-every-tired-tv-superfranchise-from-star-wars-to-game-of-thrones

So Guardian a new Harry Potter series will be the first reboot of Harry Potter for 20 years for a new potential generation of Potter fans. Star Wars has had a vastly successful reboot in the 2000s despite the initial trilogy starting in the 70s. Star Trek has had numerous reboots alongside Marvel....all vastly successful franchises generating ££££s.

I think the new Harry Potter franchise is going to be an immense success bringing a new generation of young children into the fold with the CGI of the originals becomiǹg tired.

So this is just a petty dig from the Guardian despite a number of new actors being brought to the fore. Sad journalism feeling of the stench of sour grapes including the side bursting line...JKR now slytherin....oh the humour......

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JeremiahBullfrog · 25/04/2025 23:09

The thing about the Harry Potter "remake" is that the original films by and large weren't very good adaptations of the books. This is part of a wider trend of kids' books than received middling quality film adaptations in the noughties and have since had rather better TV versions: Alex Rider, His Dark Materials, A Series of Unfortunate Events.

Intelligent people shouldn't confuse this with the other recent trend of successful franchises, often screen franchises originally, receiving mediocre TV spinoffs.

SnoopyPajamas · 25/04/2025 23:13

GwenogJones · 25/04/2025 22:17

I really don't think making your marginalised werewolf character black is a good shout - he's poor and shabby and cast out because of what he is, treated with mistrust everywhere and filled with self loathing and shame. If people think James et al bullying a wannabe death eater at a time when Voldemort is killing muggleborns makes them look racist because the death eater happens to be black, then the same logic applies to the whole wizarding world being racist to Lupin and the way he has internalised being a werewolf becomes about his internalised racism. If anything, it detracts from his actual problem, while making everyone else look like the National Front.

Book Snape is a cunt. Harry doesn't like him because he is a horrible bully towards him - and that's OK, whatever colour Snape is. By the time we get to Snape's Worst memory we will have had five years of watching Snape be a cunt to the kids and will know he used to be a Death Eater. I think James is actually fine to use Snape's own spell to dangle him upside down within the context of a war on which they are on different sides (and James is on the good side).

I dont think Paapa Essiedu was a cynical, diversity hire. By all accounts he is a great actor, and Snape is an amazing role for him to take on and the opportunity of his career. I would hate to see any other cynical diversity casting to try and offset Snape now being black.

Just let him be black.

If the best person to audition for Sirius / Remus/ Peter is black/ Indian/ Chinese, so be it - give them the role. But they shouldn't be specifically looking to tokenise one of them just so that viewers feel more comfortable with them being shitty towards Snape.

They weren't racist in the book. They won't say or do anything racist in the TV show. Snape was a blood supremacist and they hated him. They were kids who treated him badly. It's up to viewers not to handwring and pretend it's something that it's not because they cast a black man as Snape.

The problem is, Snape may have grown up to be what he did. But at the time James met him, he was all the same things you describe Lupin as being. Snape comes from deprivation and neglect, and those were the things James targeted. He didn't bully Snape for his views. He bullied him for having shabby clothes and poor personal hygiene. Symptoms of a neglected childhood.

They weren't on different sides of a war in their school days. They were children. Even Harry comes away from the situation thinking his father was in the wrong, and a bully, and Harry hates Snape. If he's not cheering James on I don't think viewers will be either.

The plot point is supposed to be something of a grey area. Evidence of how there's good in bad people, and bad in good people, and what defines us is the part we choose to act on. The thing is, I just don't think a 2025 audience could look at James, behaving exactly the way he behaves in the book, and not think he's a racist. It's not fair to expect them to be blind to the implications of what they're seeing. Those undertones are going to come through louder for some than for others. It doesn't mean the audience is racist for noticing. I'm not saying everything should be made about race, but you want the audience to have some kind of radar for these things, otherwise you train them out of picking up subtext at all.

It's the same with gender-swapped characters. If two characters are men in the source material and one punches the other in an argument, you don't think anything of it. It's just a fight. But if you make the punched character a woman, it plays very differently. Everyone is going to see the puncher as a woman-beater, and think he crossed a line. If the now-female character then shrugs off that punch and forgives him, that also reads very differently. Male Character B might be a great role for a female actress, but that's not the only factor to consider. I think it's all a bit more complicated than "just cast the best actor". Sometimes there are other criteria you have to take into account.

ArtemisiaTheArtist · 25/04/2025 23:28

I don't care what race which character is as long as they rock the part they've given. I'm very much looking forward to this.

I remember when the part of Hermione was given to Noma Dumezweni for the Cursed Child. The furore! Noma did a great job, and I believe is set a tradition on the show.

Luke Holland obviously can't separate the art from the artist in his head, though in my view there's very little JKR has said that I disagree with. I am an art history enthusiast, and so I know that artists like Eric Gill and Paul Gauguin were perverts, but they produced a lot of stuff that is considered now to be wotld-class. I can separate the two. Luke Holland struggles and tbh I don't know why. I mean, if we're going all out after JKR, then why not Neil Gaiman, brilliant creator of worlds and fantasy, but who is apparently also a horrible human being (allegedly)?. Neil has gone quiet and people have left him alone but Joanne's still fair game? I wonder why that is?

SnoopyPajamas · 25/04/2025 23:29

FloatingSquirrel · 25/04/2025 23:04

From a franchise point of view casting harry as mixed race, or blonde, or any other significant difference doesn't make much sense. It would be different in a smaller franchise, but every harry potter item (toys, lego, wall decals, bedding etc) whether cartoon or based on the film follow the same characterisation.

Agreed, and I don't really like the recent trend of shaming book readers for wanting to see characters that match the vision in their heads. I agree Harry Potter is an iconic character. Changing that would be like giving us a beardless Dumbledore, or a family of non-ginger Weasleys.

I'm not closed off to the occasional unexpected casting though. His Dark Materials made some swerves that really worked. Ruth Wilson as Marisa Coulter was inspired, and worked with the casting of Dafne Keen as Lyra. I didn't mind that they weren't blonde, as they were in the books. Will was another great bit of casting, and Lin Manuel Miranda was nothing like my mental image of Lee Scoresby, but was great in the role.

It all depends.

sadmillenial · 25/04/2025 23:44

i think the casting of a black actor as Snape is an interesting way to try and remove the parallel of muggle vs magic with white vs non-white, i'm not sure if it will work but lets give it a chance yeah? The decision wont have been made without a directors vision, it must be "going somewhere". The casting of an excellent actor gives me hope in this respect, he is awesome

Anyone who is boycotting the series because of their own ethical decisions wont be swayed by these decisions, but they ARE allowed to criticise and comment. That isn't petty bollox, its legit free speech. take a breath and get over it.

Christinapple · 25/04/2025 23:47

mids2019 · 25/04/2025 17:35

I agree. As JKR wrote the original lore there may be ideas she hasn't put into the public domain that any add to the stories in general. It is much more difficult with Tolkien for instance when the author has passed.

It's a good chance to introduce a new skilled set of actors into the public imagination as I don't think the original cast were in reality that talented.

Some of JK Rowling's HP ideas after the books were written are rather questionable and probably best they don't make it into any live action remake.

Dumbledore being canonically gay I can let slide (although I think she made this up after the books were written and didn't think of this while writing them), but there's no way Hermione is canonically black (Jo said she might be after the casting for the stage play because her race wasn't specified but it's clear the default is white English, any character who isn't no matter how minor always had their race mentioned in book. It's also remarkable if black Hermione went 7 years at an >99% white school with no one ever mentioning it).

And worst of all this idea. Yes that's right- it's official canon the magical HP characters don't need to use the bathroom like us and can just mess their robes "wherever they stood" and say poopius disappearious to "vanish the evidence". I hope this stays out of the remake.

"Hogwarts didn't always have bathrooms. Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence."
[WizardingWorld an official account]

https://x.com/wizardingworld/status/1081242428105998336?

www.vice.com/en/article/yes-harry-potter-wizards-pooped-their-pants-pottermore/

GwenogJones · 26/04/2025 00:27

SnoopyPajamas · 25/04/2025 23:13

The problem is, Snape may have grown up to be what he did. But at the time James met him, he was all the same things you describe Lupin as being. Snape comes from deprivation and neglect, and those were the things James targeted. He didn't bully Snape for his views. He bullied him for having shabby clothes and poor personal hygiene. Symptoms of a neglected childhood.

They weren't on different sides of a war in their school days. They were children. Even Harry comes away from the situation thinking his father was in the wrong, and a bully, and Harry hates Snape. If he's not cheering James on I don't think viewers will be either.

The plot point is supposed to be something of a grey area. Evidence of how there's good in bad people, and bad in good people, and what defines us is the part we choose to act on. The thing is, I just don't think a 2025 audience could look at James, behaving exactly the way he behaves in the book, and not think he's a racist. It's not fair to expect them to be blind to the implications of what they're seeing. Those undertones are going to come through louder for some than for others. It doesn't mean the audience is racist for noticing. I'm not saying everything should be made about race, but you want the audience to have some kind of radar for these things, otherwise you train them out of picking up subtext at all.

It's the same with gender-swapped characters. If two characters are men in the source material and one punches the other in an argument, you don't think anything of it. It's just a fight. But if you make the punched character a woman, it plays very differently. Everyone is going to see the puncher as a woman-beater, and think he crossed a line. If the now-female character then shrugs off that punch and forgives him, that also reads very differently. Male Character B might be a great role for a female actress, but that's not the only factor to consider. I think it's all a bit more complicated than "just cast the best actor". Sometimes there are other criteria you have to take into account.

James absolutely started the rivalry by interrupting Snape's private conversation to be rude about Slytherin - but Snape was already showing signs of believing in blood supremacy (telling Petunia he wasn't talking to her because she was a muggle, dropping a tree branch on her, having an internal struggle when Lily asked if it mattered that she was muggleborn, and telling her not to be upset that Petunia hated her because she was only a muggle). Sirius describes him as and oddball who came to school knowing more curses than most seventh years. He was always very drawn to the Dark Arts. They never laugh at him for being poor (and it's unfair to say they do). They do laugh at his greasy hair (but he still has that as an adult, so is just unfortunate as opposed to a sign of neglect, in fact we don't know he is being neglected - he bears signs of poverty but that doesn't mean his mother is not doing her best). Yes they are obnoxious (and Sirius admits it) but overall it is their opposing views which lead them to target him.

Snape comes from a poor family, and we know his father was abusive towards his mother. But within the wizarding world he is not marginalised, even as a child. He is a half blood, his mother had a good wizarding name. These are the things that matter among those who discriminate in his world. He doesn't come from the easiest background, but he is nothing like Remus. And while he is a victim of the domestic abuse going on his home (even if only by witnessing it) his decision to seek power by pursuing the dark arts and joining Lord Voldemort is all his. The older they get, the more obvious his path into darkness becomes. James and Sirius don't know about his home life and probably don't care much about the state of his finances. They do know he calls muggleborns "mudblood", sneaks around trying to get them expelled and tried to expose Remus as a werewolf. That's what they don't like about him.

While they are not actively fighting the war at school, it is already going on and Snape has chosen his side. Only hours after James dangles him upside down Lily says to him "you can't wait to get out there and join You Know Who" she refers to his friends as "Death Eaters". Mulciber has already used Dark Magic on Mary and Snape has defended it as "just a laugh". Absolutely their world was at war and James and Snape were on different sides of it and knew it.

SWM is an important point of growth for Harry. Up until now he has idealised his father, seen him as a shining hero of goodness. Now he sees his father in a moment of cruelty that appals him and it tilts his whole world on its axis. Learning to come to terms with the fact that James wasn't perfect, that all idols have their flaws, is a huge part of Harry growing up.

Yes, when SWM happens - if it is shown in the detail it is given in the book - it will make James look bad. It is supposed to. But over the next couple of books/ seasons - as we learn that Levicorpus is Snape's spell and people used it on each other all the time that year, that Snape was best friends/ in love with a muggleborn but still wanted to become a Death Eater, and that the incident with James is not his worst memory because he got hung upside down but because it is the cause of the destruction of his friendship with Lily - the whole thing will get put into a wider context. The scene will get visited again, within that context ... and its just a bit of hexing (I recently wrote that scene for my fanfic, the spells they use are no worse than anything Harry would do to Draco while Snape attempts to use Sectumsempra on James).

Will this one tiny scene all the way in the fifth season look worse because Snape is black? Yeah OK, probably. But is that a reason for all this handwringing? No. It's one scene. Does it mean they should actively make this one tiny scene less "problematic" by making one of the marauders a POC? No. If the best person for the job is a POC, that's great, but otherwise the scene can stand as it is, as can Snape's and their well documented rivalry and dislike of each other.

Viewers can simultaneously accept that within our world what we are seeing (in this one, little scene) looks like it has racist undertones and that within the wizarding world it doesn't. Viewers of Buffy watched a woman get punched in the face all the time, often by her love interest. We accepted it because it was fantasy. Saying "this makes James look racist" is reactionary and ignoring the fact that this isn't set in our world and that the discrimination in the wizarding world is along totally different lines. These viewers will always exist, but then they will always find something to react negatively against while ignoring context.

It isn't the end of the world if viewers feel uncomfortable watching the scene (heck, they are supposed to). But intelligent viewers will be able to understand that they are feeling personal discomfort that is not relevant to the story they are watching (as Buffy viewers ignored all the times Spike hit her in the face - though admittedly the attempted rape is still controversial nearly 25 years later). When they finally get there, we can all go to town on discussing whether they did it well or not, whether they managed it (or has it gone down like the attempted rape in Buffy) but, unless the have James saying the N word, in world it still won't make him a racist and it will only be disingenuous people who try to pretend it does.

Yes, gender and race swapping isn't always a straightforward process, and can change a story significantly. But in the first few HP books there is nothing that is significantly changed by Snape being black. It is only an issue in that one scene in ootp. So what? Having James Potter look marginally worse than he already does in that scene, when you see it for the first time devoid of context, is a small price to pay for having the best person in the role of Snape, and a black man playing a prominent role in a culturally significant show - and the knock on effect that will have for actors of colour being given more nuanced roles, getting to be anti-heroes and villains (whose villainy is not linked to their race) and three dimensional characters who just happen to be POC because it has been shown it can be done over on HP, and the world didn't end and the viewers dealt with it.

SnoopyPajamas · 26/04/2025 00:27

Christinapple · 25/04/2025 23:47

Some of JK Rowling's HP ideas after the books were written are rather questionable and probably best they don't make it into any live action remake.

Dumbledore being canonically gay I can let slide (although I think she made this up after the books were written and didn't think of this while writing them), but there's no way Hermione is canonically black (Jo said she might be after the casting for the stage play because her race wasn't specified but it's clear the default is white English, any character who isn't no matter how minor always had their race mentioned in book. It's also remarkable if black Hermione went 7 years at an >99% white school with no one ever mentioning it).

And worst of all this idea. Yes that's right- it's official canon the magical HP characters don't need to use the bathroom like us and can just mess their robes "wherever they stood" and say poopius disappearious to "vanish the evidence". I hope this stays out of the remake.

"Hogwarts didn't always have bathrooms. Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence."
[WizardingWorld an official account]

https://x.com/wizardingworld/status/1081242428105998336?

www.vice.com/en/article/yes-harry-potter-wizards-pooped-their-pants-pottermore/

I don't think Dumbledore being gay was a post books retcon. If you're an adult and you read between the lines of the Grindelwald and Dumbledore story in book seven, it's obvious it wasn't just a friendship. There's a piece Rita Skeeter, the gossipy tabloid journalist, writes about it that alludes to this and makes some innuendo. Rowling also apparently got the screenwriter for the films to remove a reference to Dumbledore having a crush on a girl in his youth.

It was a different time. She couldn't have been as open about Dumbledore's sexuality in the books as people can be today. Even if she could, I'm not sure it would have felt natural for Harry and Dumbledore to talk about the situation so openly. Harry was a seventeen year old student, and Dumbledore spent most of his life struggling with those memories. It makes sense for a man who is over a hundred years old to talk around the issue. I think Rowling catches unfair flack for that.

Black Hermione is a source of fan debate, but I personally don't mind the idea. It makes some scenes a little too on the nose for my taste, but it doesn't clash with what really matters about the character. I think Chanel ambassador Emma Watson was a bigger departure for the character! I'm more invested in getting the awkward, flawed Hermione of the books, personally, than I am in her skin colour. But I respect that others feel differently. Like I say, just my opinion on that one.

The bathroom thing sounds terrible and has been a source of internet merriment for years. I think there was some context that debunked that, but alas, I can't remember what it was 😂

SnoopyPajamas · 26/04/2025 00:55

sadmillenial · 25/04/2025 23:44

i think the casting of a black actor as Snape is an interesting way to try and remove the parallel of muggle vs magic with white vs non-white, i'm not sure if it will work but lets give it a chance yeah? The decision wont have been made without a directors vision, it must be "going somewhere". The casting of an excellent actor gives me hope in this respect, he is awesome

Anyone who is boycotting the series because of their own ethical decisions wont be swayed by these decisions, but they ARE allowed to criticise and comment. That isn't petty bollox, its legit free speech. take a breath and get over it.

You have more faith than I do 😂 I agree this is probably part of a director's vision. I just think the "these characters don't see colour!" idea has the potential to clash with an audience that very much does see colour.

It would have to be handled with incredible deftness, and even then, people might just see what they choose to see, as they so often do. Just look at how many people will swear blind that the Harry Potter goblins are JK Rowling being anti-semitic against Jewish people. It's been shot down a thousand times but the misconception just goes around and around, because people want to believe it, and people want to spread it.

This is going to be a big commercial series, and while it's nice to imagine the audience will be intelligent and clued in to the wider context . .
they may not be. Sometimes it's better to write for the audience you have, not the one you wish you had.

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:12

SnoopyPajamas · 26/04/2025 00:55

You have more faith than I do 😂 I agree this is probably part of a director's vision. I just think the "these characters don't see colour!" idea has the potential to clash with an audience that very much does see colour.

It would have to be handled with incredible deftness, and even then, people might just see what they choose to see, as they so often do. Just look at how many people will swear blind that the Harry Potter goblins are JK Rowling being anti-semitic against Jewish people. It's been shot down a thousand times but the misconception just goes around and around, because people want to believe it, and people want to spread it.

This is going to be a big commercial series, and while it's nice to imagine the audience will be intelligent and clued in to the wider context . .
they may not be. Sometimes it's better to write for the audience you have, not the one you wish you had.

agreed - but i was coming from a viewpoint that anyone with a massive budget from a huge studio behind them wasn't of the "i dont see colour" school of thought, because that would get absolutely hammered right out of the gate, lol!
If they haven't already thought through the racial tensions in the storytelling of this then they deserve any backlash they get

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:14

SnoopyPajamas · 26/04/2025 00:55

You have more faith than I do 😂 I agree this is probably part of a director's vision. I just think the "these characters don't see colour!" idea has the potential to clash with an audience that very much does see colour.

It would have to be handled with incredible deftness, and even then, people might just see what they choose to see, as they so often do. Just look at how many people will swear blind that the Harry Potter goblins are JK Rowling being anti-semitic against Jewish people. It's been shot down a thousand times but the misconception just goes around and around, because people want to believe it, and people want to spread it.

This is going to be a big commercial series, and while it's nice to imagine the audience will be intelligent and clued in to the wider context . .
they may not be. Sometimes it's better to write for the audience you have, not the one you wish you had.

also - to be clear, there are some MAD mental gymnastics needed to say that the goblins don't feed into anti-semitic stereotypes....

fromorbit · 26/04/2025 02:09

I think the idea of a 7 or 8 TV series of Harry Potter could be an outstanding success because they will be able to show all the missing details from the books. It also could work with millennials showing their kids the series. Great family viewing. It also will have the yearly anticipation from families like the books and films did.

The books, the games the theme parks are all still HUGE. So the audience is there worldwide. Especially important is that HP is popular in China unlike Star Wars or Marvel.

It might not work. However it is definitely a more solid plan than other franchises.

One potential issue is the early series from shorter books will have to create new scenes to fill space. That could if done badly derail the plot or feel of the series. Luckily they will have JKR on hand to advise.

Maxorias · 26/04/2025 03:35

I'll be honest and say it bothers me a little when the characters don't look like what I pictured iny head for the past twenty-five years. When this happens I feel like I have no idea who these people are anymore. It makes it hard for me to be invested in what happens to them.

But I also think that a remake is a lost opportunity in the first place. The HP world is huge. We already have a book series and a movie series telling Harry's story, do we really need a tv series retelling again the same story ? I'd have loved to see an original series set in a different place or time, and then they could have hired as diverse a cast as they wanted without this being an issue. I believe part of Hogwarts Legacy's success was precisely due to this - they brought something new to the HP world.

I don't mind a Black (or any other ethnicity) actor having a major role in a HP series, I do mind the HP world I know being changed and retconned beyond recognition.

FrippEnos · 26/04/2025 07:00

Anyone that thinks the star wars and star trek reboots are successful really shouldn't be commenting on the state of any franchises.

Signalbox · 26/04/2025 07:03

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:14

also - to be clear, there are some MAD mental gymnastics needed to say that the goblins don't feed into anti-semitic stereotypes....

Do you mean the portrayal of the goblins in the book or the film?

mids2019 · 26/04/2025 07:38

I think when JKR was writing the books and for the first films she honestly hasn't thought about diversity but it was brought to her. Attention through its huge success. Yes, we know having the the main antagonists being all white (as well as the majority of supporting cast) might be a challenge in today's climate. I am sure JKR and other producers are conscious of this and giving it deep thoughr.

my impression is that a series allows JKR to revisit the mgthos she created and possibly produce the film's and would have written in retrospect which is quite exciting. HP was written by an out of work Secretary fleeing domestic violence so what would HP look like written by a billionaire with fewer external pressure s and a life time to reflect on the stories and characters? It's intriguing.

the target audience is wide ranging from 7-8 year olds to hardened adult fans so it will be interesting to see if you can satisfy all the audiences.

One thing is certain is that there is an appetite in my opinion for the series and they can't be put into the same bracket as the latest tired Marvel back story or the agonising slow fail of Dr Who. Star Trek has had its time but was a brilliant show in its time and really ground-breaking in its scope. With Tolkien there simply isn't enough material left.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/04/2025 08:54

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:14

also - to be clear, there are some MAD mental gymnastics needed to say that the goblins don't feed into anti-semitic stereotypes....

Have you actually read how the goblins are described in the books?

CountFucula · 26/04/2025 09:02

The Guardian are so pathetic on this issue. They must be letting the children at the copy desk again. One article had the correction that the ruling on the Equality Act was made by ‘Scottish judges’ rather than the Supreme Court. THEY HAVEN’T A NOTION. They just resort to snide digs and articles about slogan t shirts. News flash: relying on slogans got you into this mess.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/04/2025 09:06

Maaate · 25/04/2025 22:49

There's no real reason why James can't be black and Harry mixed race is there?

That would make the racists absolutely lose it!

😅

lady69 · 26/04/2025 09:17

FrippEnos · 26/04/2025 07:00

Anyone that thinks the star wars and star trek reboots are successful really shouldn't be commenting on the state of any franchises.

I’m glad someone posted this. See also the Lord of the Rings shows and Dr Who. They have between them lost hundreds of millions of dollars and destroyed their own IP by alienating fans who would otherwise pay to watch their shows. Ratings don’t lie. ,

sandgreen · 26/04/2025 09:19

Mollyollydolly · 25/04/2025 22:43

If JK is happy with Snape being black so am I .. I trust her to make it work. I do think the concern about it splits into two camps, people who are downright racist and people who think it alters the perception of Snape. But I'm sure JK is all over it.

Haven’t read the whole thread yet but yes I am trusting the process with this one. This will be a prestige show and Paapa Essiedu must have chosen as the right man for the job with good reason. The online racism has been sickening and eye opening to me - I look forward to him proving the doubters very wrong. The people screaming ‘Adam Driver’ seem to be wanting nothing more than an Alan Rickman tribute act.

Siloportem · 26/04/2025 10:31

I just think no, an actor getting cast in an adaptation of an existing and well known property isn't just about how good at acting they are. They should resemble the character enough physically that the audience can accept their slipping into that role. People complained and mocked when Tom Cruise played Jack Reacher because he's not tall or physically imposing enough.

A character from a book or comic has been created and a description provided. There are loads of talented actors, just find one that fits the bill.

Mackenzie Crook is a good actor and would fit right into the Harry Potter world, but you wouldn't cast him as Hagrid, would you, no matter how good his acting.

BezMills · 26/04/2025 15:21

Siloportem · 26/04/2025 10:31

I just think no, an actor getting cast in an adaptation of an existing and well known property isn't just about how good at acting they are. They should resemble the character enough physically that the audience can accept their slipping into that role. People complained and mocked when Tom Cruise played Jack Reacher because he's not tall or physically imposing enough.

A character from a book or comic has been created and a description provided. There are loads of talented actors, just find one that fits the bill.

Mackenzie Crook is a good actor and would fit right into the Harry Potter world, but you wouldn't cast him as Hagrid, would you, no matter how good his acting.

Hagrid's umbrella maybe

latetothefisting · 26/04/2025 19:47

Signalbox · 25/04/2025 21:39

I agree. Do we know who will be cast as James / Lupin / Sirius? Perhaps they will get around it by casting that group as ethnically diverse and it will revert back to being just plain bullying rather than extreme racist bullying. Or perhaps they are just going to plonk a clunky race narrative in where it doesn't belong. He'd have been better cast as Sirius or Lupin. I can't imagine how they are going to make him look Snape-like?

the problem is you can't really have James as a POC if Harry is white
Same with Sirius - having a black Sirius Black is a bit too on the nose and again would have a knock on effect on the casting for regulus, bellatrix, narcissa, andromeda, tonks and even draco, as they are all supposed to be related.
Lupin could be a possibility as it would work well with his 'othering' but would it be a bit too much?
The only issue with Pettigrew would be if there were too many of the death eaters of non-white origin.

It also seems a bit off to not cast people who could be the best fit for large roles from series 3 onwards solely due to who you'd have to cast as their younger versions for a 30 second scene in series 5 - which you might not ever get to if it gets cancelled before then. They might be better off just cutting that scene, tbh.

I don't care strongly either way. My initial thought was that anyone (like Adam Driver for example who was the fancast) looking like a 'traditional' Snape would struggle to separate their performance from Alan Rickman's (someone on another thread put it brilliantly as a 'Temu Alan Rickman') so having the character look completely different at least separates that and gives PE a chance for his performance to be assessed on his own merits. OTOH the whole sell for this series was it was supposed to be far more faithful to the books, and drastically changing characters' appearances doesn't seem to be living up to that.

I just hope they don't cast just to appeal to a 'woke' audience, because the people who feel strongest about that are going to be boycotting it due to their hate for JKR anyway.

I did laugh when I saw a post from a TRA on reddit or somewhere saying smugly how the series was bound to fail due to so many people boycotting it after the SC ruling to stick it to JKR - yeah that didn't work with Hogwarts, a Legacy, or any of the HP books which are still, after more than 20 years on the top of the best sellers charts, or the CS series, or the theme parks (universal have literally opened another HP one this month), or the Watford studio tour....

They don't seem to understand that, to counter the fairly small amount of people who feel strongly enough about JKR to boycott anything related to her, there are others who want to show their support of her so will watch/read/buy her stuff even if they aren't interested....and that both of these groups are dwarfed by the majority of people who don't really care either way, and if they like something they'll watch/read/buy/visit it, and if they don't they won't.

latetothefisting · 26/04/2025 19:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/04/2025 08:54

Have you actually read how the goblins are described in the books?

omg the argument about the goblins drives me nuts 'they are portrayed as greedy and obsessed with money so they must a jewish allegory,' OR BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRADITIONAL REPRESENTATION OF GOBLINS IN HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF FOLKLORE.
It's like complaining that a vampire was depicted as lusting for blood ffs.

One of the other arguments was that there was apparently a star on the floor of gringotts in one of the films = a star of david = further jewish allegory.
Again no reference to any star in the books and do people really believe that JKR was involved to such an extent that she was doing set design, ffs? They obviously didn't actually need that crew of thousands, they should have just got her doing make up and special effects while she was at it if they honestly believed she is was that omnipotent and involved in every tiny minutiae of the production, in-between writing the last few books, her charity work, bringing up her kids, press, slowly getting peaked etc....