Help me to verbalise my feelings on the trans movement/new law

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miniegghead · 19/04/2025 08:16

I am very liberal and usually maintain a live and let live attitude. I don’t care how people choose to identify or live their lives. Gay, straight, trans, race, whatever - as long as you’re a decent person crack on.

However the whole issue with the trans thing is how they have slowly tried to infiltrate women’s spaces and rights. Live how you want to live but don’t try to change society for the majority. It began to feel like the wants and feelings of one trans woman trumped the comfort and safety of a bunch of women and I didn’t like that. So for that reason I support the new laws.

What I don’t understand, and I admit I’m not clued up on the language or in depth debates surrounding this, is why other people are no against this? People I know and have agreed with before entirely on political issues and whatnot are up in arms. They loathe JK Rowling, they think it’s disgraceful. Why are people so angry about trying to maintain single sex spaces? I have one particular friend who is really wound up about it and I know it’s going to come up in conversation. I feel ill equipped to put my point across succinctly because I just can’t understand the outrage at declaring women deserve privacy and respect.

Can anyone explain a little about the opposing view?

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FleurDeFleur · 19/04/2025 22:36

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2025 22:05

Transwomen don't want to share with other men, so women have to put up with sharing with men.

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Yes, that's the bottom line. They've got to have the privilege of the natal male.

SkylarkKitten · 19/04/2025 22:40

miniegghead · 19/04/2025 08:36

This is what cant get my head around. Why are views so extreme by trans allies and activists? Can they genuinely not grasp that some people need or deserve single sex spaces - certain faiths for example or victims of abuse.

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Because according to lobbyists like Stonewall, any woman whose religious beliefs would prevent them being in the presence of the opposite sex when getting changed etc is bigoted and should be ignored (at best), and victims of abuse should 'reframe' their trauma to accommodate transwomen in their safe spaces

As a woman who is a domestic abuse survivor, lives with a fractured spine, suffers PTSD, I find it highly offensive that my trauma has to be reframed to accommodate bullying.

It's been hard to vocalise opinion in public and online for fear of abuse, retribution and risk of losing your job over 'discrimatory language'

Grammarnut · 19/04/2025 23:04

Allthegoodhorses · 19/04/2025 08:22

There is no new law.

OP knows that. Wants to know how to talk to a friend who thinks there is a new law and it's wrong, because OP doesn't understand why transwomen want to invade women's spaces.

Grammarnut · 19/04/2025 23:19

Mummybud · 19/04/2025 09:53

I strongly believe people should be able to live their lives authentically and to be honest I wouldn’t mind if a transwoman used a female toilet. I would likely pay no attention to the person in the cubicle next to me if they acted like 99% of women - I wouldn’t even notice. I certainly don’t want transwomen to feel unsafe.

What I object strongly to is the change of language we saw around women, particularly women’s health. “People with a womb”, “people who menstruate”. No. We are women. We have very specific health and life considerations related to our biology. We have entirely different organs, hormones, bone density etc etc etc. The fact that anyone changed that language, or worse, changed their actions/services to allay a (noisy) minority is a huge disservice to women everywhere. Widening the concept of women’s health to include people who are not biological women was ridiculous. The decision this week clarified a position that should never have been unclear to anyone: sex is biological and is a protected characteristic.

I agree with your points, except about being ok with transwomen in women's lavatories etc. Many women are unhappy or traumatized by such inclusion and no-one can decide on their behalf that they will just have to put up with men in their changing rooms, loos etc. Sex segregated spaces are important for women's safety and dignity - this is why we have them.

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