So now that the Supreme Court has ruled that Woman means biological female,

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can we now correctly sex males when posting on Mumsnet?

Maybe I’m wrong in my interpretation or understanding. Perhaps correct sexing and use of pronouns are not linked as I had assumed.

It’s already apparent in this thread that the rules are still not comprehensively known and fully understood, even by those of us who use this board regularly.

I absolutely agree with @ErrolTheDragon that even though the rules have felt unfair sometimes, we have been very well served in that we have been able to continue posting and rallying women despite the difficult position Mumsnet found herself to be in. Without this wonderful board, I don’t think we would have reached this point.

Ah poor Robin, the highest Court in the land is wrong, eh?

We discuss other lawyers on this board who are fighting either for or against women’s rights, so RMW’s sex is not always relevant to the discussion. I think that’s where the distinction has lain, up until now.

I also think the correctly sexing situation will probably require a separate court case to assess whether routine use of correct sex pronouns amounts to harassment if the person doesn’t want you to use them.

“A person has to be tough to be transgender. Given the problems that can be associated with coming out to family, friends and work colleagues, the constant vilification of trans people by certain parts of the media and on social media and the internal emotional turmoil transition entails, it requires mental strength beyond the ordinary. I should know – I have walked that path”

I know someone else already highlighted this section, or part of it, but having now opened the article, what strikes me is that RMW’s life would be made much easier, and so much of the mental strength mentioned would be unnecessary, were RMW and others able to accept reality and determined to carve out a separate pathway for themselves and those like them.

The insistence on pushing their way into women’s spaces when they know they don’t belong there must create a constant state of cognitive dissonance, which they convert to self-righteous anger against the women they see as their enemies for not validating them.

It takes great mental strength to continue justifying yourself in the face of an implacable truth. It would take more moral courage than any of these men appear to have to start to fight for true justice, based upon who they really are.

There are men who’ve had the moral courage to take a different line - and been hounded as ‘truscum’, or in the astonishing case brought against Miranda Yardley, be accused of transphobia! He, and some others of his ilk, did try to campaign for third spaces, but they probably don’t have an appropriate platform where they can do so.

I have confidence in Mumsnet revising their terms - and threads like this will help! Just a question of how quickly they do it....

I am also clear that one of the reasons we are able to proudly be Terf Island is Mumsnet.... I was one of the initial 100 Man Friday group and we met online here... Far more importantly, the three For Women Scotland sheroes met via Mumsnet..... Th is is one of the reasons we are in a better place than other countries

If you are feeling brave you could say “wrong room you need the men’s”

Realistically you report it to the manager and let them deal with it. Just make it clear if it says Women it’s for biological females only.

From memory there is a case being taken against David Lloyd for making women’s communal changing rooms mixed sex. I expect cases like this will wake up a lot of organisations.

As pp on many threads have said HR and DEI leads will be rapidly assessing what they need to do to be compliant. If I was them I might also think about suing Stonewall if they reviewed the policies or gave advice

If there was clear signage on toilets and changing rooms, I’d assume any man in there was a voyeur - so maybe the police would be a better option? It really peed me off to hear some TW saying they’re going to continue using women’s single sex spaces. They know it must be intimidating and unwanted, yet they persist in doing it, probably knowing that their size and strength will work in their favour.

I’d like legislation to prevent this personally and a few court cases and fines to dissuade other men who take pleasure in telling us how they’re going to trample over our boundaries.

It is going to be a long road to move the police back to a place where you could appeal to them to remove a transitioning man from women’s spaces.

While I agree wholeheartedly with you in principle, I think complaining to management is more likely to be successful in the first instance. I’m fairly sure the reason so many let men into the women’s in the first place was because they knew the men would kick off and they were unsure where they stood. They can no longer have any doubt that those men don’t have a right to enter that space.

If you complain to management and they back you up and then he still forces his way in, then the police might be a useful option.