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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alternative to "gender affirming care."

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Everythingtastesbetterwithcheese · 02/04/2025 23:10

I was on a discussion recently in which a poster said she didn't consider the double mastectomy a young woman had gone through in order to transition to a man, as radical surgery, claiming it was only "gender affirming care" and no different to a woman having lip fillers. This made me think the language we are using is minimising the actual brutality of the surgery and it feels like using the word care only has positive connotations when I think a lot of the treatment is negative.
What other term can I use instead of gender affirming care which is more realistic to what it actually is?

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withthegreatestrespect · 03/04/2025 10:40

MyrtleLion · 02/04/2025 23:11

Breast amputation.

'Mastectomy' is a word that a lot of women will associate with life-saving treatment (cancer).
I think 'breast amputation' is a better fit for 'top surgery'

StellaAndCrow · 03/04/2025 12:01

Helleofabore · 03/04/2025 04:48

I also find it most concerning the number of posters who dismiss these extreme body modifications with a reference to low regret rates. It is based on falsehood.

From what I have seen, some posters and activist influences have compared it to knee replacement. A procedure that people in extreme pain undertake understanding the severe ramifications but do it to be able to have mobility. However, that is also taking a surgery for a physical injury or wear and comparing it to surgeries being done on healthy bodies.

Most often turning that healthy body into one requiring on going medical attention in the future.

Plus, there is no where near enough long term follow up data on the regret data for these elective surgical modifications. Instead, we see euphoric social media content. Children see that euphoric social media content. Even the ads with female bodies bearing (and baring) double mastectomy scars in glamour shots.

The reality of dealing with scar tissue is glossed over.

The term Gender Affirming Care is a mantra like phrase now. It does have the positive evocative reaction. Due to the terms affirming and care.

Just like ‘hormone treatment’ is emotively described as therapy. And using HRT when the reality is that HRT generally brings to mind replacing hormones that the body produced or should have produced when working optimally for that person. No male person requires the level of estrogen and progesterone that they euphemistically call HRT. No female person requires their testosterone ‘replaced’ at those levels. That is not replacing. That is complete modification.

With the growing evidence that it can be life shortening too.

All based on a philosophical belief.

Yes, a patient in their late 40s/50s told me they were tired all the time. The person is a MtF trans-identified man. He has been castrated, so his testosterone is drastically lower than normal. He is on oestrogen.

I could only suggest he discuss with the gender clinic - how can anyone know what the effects of removing your natural hormones and using wrong sex hormones can be? I suspect he will ask his GP, but what is his GP supposed to say?

StellaAndCrow · 03/04/2025 12:05

Ingenieur · 03/04/2025 10:02

This is an important point, and belies much of the "trans experience". It's not that women are happier to be men, it's that they are uncomfortable with the sexed parts of their body.

In this sense, gender dysphoria is no different to body integrity disorder, anxiety disorders, anorexia etc. and I've never seen a good reason why it's distingushed as a separate illness with a different "treatment" pathway.

(TMI, but) I find it unpleasant to have breasts and particularly my nipples touched. I always have done. I've dealt with this by asking people not to touch them.

I've met so many people dealing with the consequences of mastectomy for cancer - scarring, nerve pain, arm swelling, hand issues etc etc - and find it frankly horrific that people get this done voluntarily to health bodies.

CheekySnake · 03/04/2025 12:16

I think 'cosmetic mastectomy' fits the bill.

We need to name the surgery for what it is.

FWIW, I suspect that many of the people who minimise the surgery have never had surgery themselves, and for many of the young women who have it, they've never had surgery before either. I've had multiple operations now for a chronic condition and there were things I know now that I simply could not have understood until I went through it. It's easy to play it down when you don't know.

I also think when I see young women in the aftermath of surgery speak about how thrilled they are that it isn't properly understood that surgical regret often takes time to kick in. In the first few months, when you're in recovery, there is a degree of euphoria because the whole thing is so stressful and you're so relieved that you didn't die on the table. It's not until months later that you find out that the pain in the scar tissue isn't normal healing, it's your new normal, that it wasn't swelling but just the shape you've been left with, how much scar tissue hurts when you get a virus, that you're actually quite traumatised by the whole thing.

CheekySnake · 03/04/2025 12:22

Helleofabore · 03/04/2025 04:48

I also find it most concerning the number of posters who dismiss these extreme body modifications with a reference to low regret rates. It is based on falsehood.

From what I have seen, some posters and activist influences have compared it to knee replacement. A procedure that people in extreme pain undertake understanding the severe ramifications but do it to be able to have mobility. However, that is also taking a surgery for a physical injury or wear and comparing it to surgeries being done on healthy bodies.

Most often turning that healthy body into one requiring on going medical attention in the future.

Plus, there is no where near enough long term follow up data on the regret data for these elective surgical modifications. Instead, we see euphoric social media content. Children see that euphoric social media content. Even the ads with female bodies bearing (and baring) double mastectomy scars in glamour shots.

The reality of dealing with scar tissue is glossed over.

The term Gender Affirming Care is a mantra like phrase now. It does have the positive evocative reaction. Due to the terms affirming and care.

Just like ‘hormone treatment’ is emotively described as therapy. And using HRT when the reality is that HRT generally brings to mind replacing hormones that the body produced or should have produced when working optimally for that person. No male person requires the level of estrogen and progesterone that they euphemistically call HRT. No female person requires their testosterone ‘replaced’ at those levels. That is not replacing. That is complete modification.

With the growing evidence that it can be life shortening too.

All based on a philosophical belief.

I've noticed that only men who are pretending to be women call it HRT. I assume because HRT is what it's called when women take it, so it's part and parcel of the larping.

Women who are pretending to be men talk specifically about testosterone and defeminise it.

FWIW, as someone who had both ovaries removed at a young age and is just about held together at the seams by HRT, I can confirm that messing with your hormones is utterly, utterly shit, short and long term.

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