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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Leeds student suspended from University Radio for GC views

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lcakethereforeIam · 05/12/2024 21:12

She's being supported by the FSU

https://archive.ph/NKvVX

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/05/gender-critical-student-connie-shaw-radio-leeds-university/

All the claims they make about people feeling unsafe because of her views...she actually is unsafe because of their views...on her views.

Words are not violence. People, of all hair colours, need to learn that their views will not be universally shared. Agreeing to disagree should be taught in schools.

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HoppityBun · 08/12/2024 01:20

Grammarnut · 07/12/2024 11:08

She objected to this question in her feminist philosophy course: “Can someone, such as a very powerful Queen, not be systematically subordinated, but still be a woman?”
It does suggest that a feature of being a woman is to be subordinated, but the point of a philosophy essay is to address the question and see if its premise is true. Interesting essay to write, I think, but I suspect that it is set reflects some pretty stereotypical ideas about women among tutors on the course. Better to ask if subordination is a feature of womanhood, or only a social construct?
I will listen to her podcasts when I can. Stupid people at Leeds.

That is such a muddled question. I think what it means is “Are even the most powerful or high status women still subordinate to men?” Or “Is it possible to be a high status and / or powerful woman and not be subordinate to men.”

RunoroundTheChristmasTree · 08/12/2024 06:55

I really hope she takes this to court
a) she’d win,
b) Leeds Student Union need to be taught their legal responsibilities around discrimination
My spade is ready….

edited for clarity

blackwithlight · 08/12/2024 07:03

HoppityBun · 08/12/2024 01:20

That is such a muddled question. I think what it means is “Are even the most powerful or high status women still subordinate to men?” Or “Is it possible to be a high status and / or powerful woman and not be subordinate to men.”

I’d assume it means what it says. That ‘woman’ is a social construct defined by systematic subordination ( not sex). That is what you are asked to discuss.

blackwithlight · 08/12/2024 07:13

An LUU spokesman said: “Inclusivity is one of our core values, helping to ensure that everyone can enjoy their university experience, free from discrimination

How ironic! How can these people be studying at University and make statements like these without investigating the assumptions they are making in their interpretation, and whether they are applying the values in the statement by punishing someone for legal beliefs.

RunoroundTheChristmasTree · 08/12/2024 08:21

If academia is lost, it is because of some academics’ refusal to apply their critical thinking skills - and maybe it would be no bad thing if they were no longer working in this field?! #nodebate is not an approach (to anything) which has any business in a university setting.

I realise this is student-led, and when you consider the implications for the thinking skills of our graduate population, that is depressing.

MrBungle · 08/12/2024 09:10

Another example of why we cannot let the government kill the freedom of speech bill www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gj1x11nmo

RunoroundTheChristmasTree · 08/12/2024 09:34

From the BBC news article posted above (thankyou MrBungle)

“Bridget Phillipson told the BBC on Monday that culture wars on university campuses “end here”.” 🤦‍♀️

Grammarnut · 08/12/2024 12:29

HoppityBun · 08/12/2024 01:20

That is such a muddled question. I think what it means is “Are even the most powerful or high status women still subordinate to men?” Or “Is it possible to be a high status and / or powerful woman and not be subordinate to men.”

Then that's what they should have asked. What they have asked assumes that subjection is a necessary constituent of being a woman (necessary in a philosophical sense). In which case, ask that. Glad I'm not on that philosophy course, they don't seem to know their arse from their elbow.

nauticant · 08/12/2024 12:42

RunoroundTheChristmasTree · 08/12/2024 09:34

From the BBC news article posted above (thankyou MrBungle)

“Bridget Phillipson told the BBC on Monday that culture wars on university campuses “end here”.” 🤦‍♀️

If thought is given to what the often deceptive short-hand "Culture Wars" actually means, ie that some people are trying to carry out a significant re-ordering of society according to progressive thinking, and some people are speaking out against aspects of this, then I'd imagine one way to end them would be to stop some of the re-ordering. I doubt this is what Phillipson means.

fromorbit · 30/12/2024 18:55

Andrew Gold former Leeds student goes to campus with Connie and talks to some TAs in this video. Chaos ensues.

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lcakethereforeIam · 30/12/2024 19:44

I saw a clip from this yesterday. I thought I recognised the purple coat woman, I've seen her photo in the dictionary next to DARVO and hypocrite.

I don't think these people can be reasoned out of their positions. As has been said reason didn't get them there. I think the only things that might work (other than maturity) are punitive. They're entitled to their opinions, however batshit I might find them. The line should be, not disagreement, but lack of tolerance towards other points of view. That should see them kicked out.

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TempestTost · 30/12/2024 21:59

Universities are done, IMO. In a generation I think we will see very few people getting degrees.

JeremiahBullfrog · 31/12/2024 08:52

University students today have spent their entire teenage years being told criticising trans people is equivalent to segregation-era racism in the US. Most of them are not yet able to think for themselves, or too scared to do so. The biological realities of sex have not really hit them yet: many people need exposure to pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding before they fully realise that being a man or a woman is more than just a lifestyle choice.

Basically we can expect that many of them will grow out of it and needn't get too worried about the future of humanity just yet.

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