Man aggressively interrupts interview about more safe spaces for women

[WarriorN]

Couldn't make it up. Man refused to leave so they had to go elsewhere. He's sitting down where the women being interviewed were sitting.

Thankyou ITV for including it and making the point for us.

x.com/david_challen/status/1864337286139134413?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

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Plonking yourself down in between three people talking to each other on a bench is aggressive. A man would never do it to a group of men.

OK so he sat down - why did he pick an already-occupied bench where there was not just a conversation, but filming going on?

If he hadn't noticed all that before he sat down between two other people, why didn't he respond like a normal human being - sorry evidence suggests that should be female human being - and say 'Oh sorry I didn't notice you were filming, I'll go somewhere else'?

Finally, although what he said is not broadcast, just look at the way he is sitting as the camera moves away - all angles and space-occupying, and strangely immobile, no movement at all - planted like a statue to male entitlement.
He actually manages to sit aggressively!

And as DontStopMe pointed out, he probably wouldn't mind being identified, as he has made a brave stand - or sit - against these awful women, and would probably be lauded in the 'manosphere'.

Agree with above. He would never have done this if the group had consisted of men. In fact just one man in the group would probably have been enough to make him sit elsewhere. Bloody scumbag.

How many women here would plonk their arses on a bench between three men having a conversation, with or without tv cameras filming?

Anyone? I doubt it.

How many women here would plonk their arses on a bench between three women having a conversation, with or without tv cameras filming?

I'm guessing the answer will yet again be none.

I'm curious as to how many of the off camera crew were males.

but that is an agressive act in itself. And when they politely asked if he could give them 5 minutes, he said no.

the twitter thread is interesting, because people picked up his accent (sounded East European?) pretty quickly, so it had a side order of xenophobia too

David Challen seems to be one of the few men who gets it - I really admire the way he's learned this from the awful awful death of his mother. He's turning a really horrific example of male violence into a very good consciousness raising campaign.

he and his brother fought so hard for justice for their mother, and now they are continuing to support women. I think they are fabulous.

Plonking yourself down in between three people talking to each other on a bench is aggressive. A man would never do it to a group of men.

It looks as though it's deliberate. Anyone could have seen that the 3 women were together and talking to each other, but he decided to sit in the middle of them. It was pretty intimidating & intrusive - a kind of implied violence. He was a total arsehole.

And no woman would have done that.

I think it highlights the problem very nicely. What he did wasn't illegal. He was intimidating but he didn't touch the women or shout at them so the police wouldn't have arrested him (even if they'd come out). This kind of behaviour can easily escalate so women have to remove themselves from situations like this.

I also think it's actually more powerful not to show his face. If he's identified then it becomes "that" man that did it and everyone else is fine. If he's left anonymous then he remains "any" man (obviously not all men, just in case I have to say that).

Yes, I agree.

It's playing with boundaries. He knows how far he can go without breaking the law. And he knows it's intimidating.

Any man who knows where the boundaries are like this could choose to push further if he thinks he can.

David Challen is consistently shining a light of the issues of male violence.

Yes he gets it - his father bullied, abused and coercively controlled his mother their whole marriage.

Sally killed his father. Sally was initially convicted of murder, but the conviction was later quashed on appeal and she pleaded guilty to manslaughter.

More here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/dec/10/sally-challen-release-prison-husband-murder-appeal

Oh I beg pardon - got it wrong! Thanks for that huge correction! Of course it was a miscarriage of justice that Ms Challenge was ever convicted.

Im listening to a fascinating but gruesome podcast called Kill List. And it’s fascinating to listen each week to the journalist’s growing understanding of the constant violence against women. And his realisation that the organisations of the State, which are supposed to protect us, do not in these sorts of cases. The most recent episode “Bath” ( the city) is particularly enraging in this respect.

No worries, It's a really important case - worth sharing again incase anyone reading hasn't heard of it.

And the lifetime of abuse is why David Challen gets it so much.

Thansks for the podcast recommendation- I do wonder if being able to access more information about violence against women, social media, internet, podcasts etc, will eventually have a big impact on awareness over the next few decades. That will hopefully impact at the grass roots level.

The shocking report about teen's experiences of abuse, including sexual abuse in relationships this week is horrific, but also important to know about if any change will occur.

I really like the idea of the group Tomorrow’s Women organising women’s only nights but I worry that the fact that it’s women only will be a strong draw to a certain type of man who will use the law in GRA 2004 and EA 2010 to demand entrance and to claim discrimination if not allowed to attend. I sincerely hope that won’t be the case but these days women are unable to have anything for themselves without there being countermoves by activists.

Re the man intimidating the women during the interview - some men know just how much they can get away with in terms of intimidating and bothering women before it’s considered against the law and they are very happy to operate in that grey zone.

I wonder what would have happened, if the women had called the police and handed the phone to the man to explain himself. If he had walked into a shop and started annoying customers, you can throw him out (or call the police to have hin removed). The journalists cannot do their work, he's not just sitting in the frame (also, we don't know what he said - I doubt it was nice).

Shame ITV decided to (chicken out) and blur his face.

I’ve used the comparison (when explaining to blokes WHY this shite is such a problem for us)

would he have done that if , instead of 2 women on the bench, it were two males, and those males were 6 foot +. And covered in prison tattoos?

and if they say, well, no of course… yeah so you know deep down this wasn’t a misunderstanding and he didn’t just suddenly need to sit down or whatever bullshit excuse.

He wanted to be a cunt, he enjoyed intimidating people in public spaces but hadn’t the balls even to pick on someone his own size.. fucking coward.