Results of state-level abortion ballot measures in the US election

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(skips pay wall) https://archive.ph/ptrJv#selection-1131.0-1131.66

two edged sword a lot of the changes in the USA around abortion, a lot of states had abortion measures on the ballot yesterday - archive.ph/ptrJv - I am quite alarmed around the Arizona changes for example, and equally disappointed the Florida one didn’t pass

I'm pretty sure school talent shows are.

But the Florida proposal was also up to foetal viability (23-24 weeks).

IMO if they had gone with 12 or 15 weeks it may have passed.

24 weeks is the limit in the UK for elective abortions i.e. where there is no other reason to abort than the woman's choice (of course, many of these abortions will be against the woman's true wishes because of a life-denying threat to the child) - this covers rape and incest afaik. There is no limit on aborting a pregnancy where the child has died (danger of sepsis apart from anything else) or where the abnormalities are incompatible with life i.e. the child will be born dead or die (in pain, often) within hours of birth because of the abnormalities e.g. anencephaly is a cause for aborting a pregnancy. Afaik removing an ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion but a surgical procedure since there is no viable child and continuance without intervention will end the life of the mother.
I do not see why abortion for the reason of the child being catastrophically damaged or because the child is dead - let alone ectopic pregnancies being removed - is an issue in the US. But perhaps we are talking about elective abortions and that's why there is an issue?

I do not see why abortion for the reason of the child being catastrophically damaged or because the child is dead - let alone ectopic pregnancies being removed - is an issue in the US.

Doctors won't perform them in case they get prosecuted. So women die.

I think you're right. 12-15 weeks is in line with most of Europe and several US states. The UK and the Netherlands are the outliers.

Interesting and important point of detail about Florida. Our limit is likely too high and should come down given advances in medicine. Possibly the reason it hasn't is it's seen as too toxic and politicians run scared from it.

I'm actually one of the rare cases of a woman who had an elective, late abortion in the UK.
I didn't find out until 19 weeks, delays in the system pushed that to the cut off limit, I also had to travel from Glasgow to London.
It was a horrible time in my life, but 18 years on I have no regrets.
Access issues and the NHS pushed it right to the limit, not me dithering, and I know from talking to the other women there, they all had the sane problem, and even then only four of us out of six were referred, the other two had to pay because their Drs obstructed them.
There was only one clinic in the country then that took NHS referrals.
I was suicidal, single Mum to a 5yr old and had a mirena coil.

I was sterilised at 30 the following year.

I would leave UK limit where it is.

I dislike the calls for there to be a right to abort to term for no reason and vociferous lobbying for that. I don't particularly want the UK limits to be brought into the spotlight for fear that the time limits are reduced.

This.⬆

Me too.

My stance on abortion, as someone who has been there in the UK is.:
As soon as possible, as late as necessary, for any woman, for any reason.

However, it's just not a vote winner in the USA, going for, maybe 16 weeks will at least allow the vast majority of women to have the right to choose, and I say this as someone who didn't find out until 19 weeks.