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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

US: 'Trans tipping point'

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HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 20/10/2024 09:59

Article on (mostly) treating children for 'trans' identities.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/19/us-news/pain-confusion-compassion-how-the-us-has-reached-a-trans-tipping-point/

'...the Supreme Court is poised to rule on the constitutionality of Tennessee’s ban on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for treating gender-related distress in minors.
Oral arguments are set to begin on December 4 and legal experts expect the state will prevail.
The court’s decision could herald an end to pediatric gender-transition treatment in about two dozen states.'

Pain, confusion and compassion: How the US has reached a trans ‘tipping point’

Families are in crisis, and the years to come are expected to bring more turmoil for these vulnerable youths as the walls close in on pediatric gender medicine. 

https://nypost.com/2024/10/19/us-news/pain-confusion-compassion-how-the-us-has-reached-a-trans-tipping-point

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2024 17:10

fromorbit · 23/10/2024 17:06

26 states have passed bans on experimental gender treatments of various kinds. Many have passed laws protecting women's sports too.

That wasn't the case a few years ago. That is a huge difference, just like the fact abortion is now near impossible in a bunch of states. This is not about the article or where it is published, but the facts it discusses. Things are changing WPATH is losing its grip as is other gender industry bodies.

I don't think 2024 is the trans tipping point, or the supreme court verdict alone will be. I maybe wrong and it will be seen that way in retrospect though.

I think the tipping point in the US is more likely to be in 2025 or 2026 when the first detrans cases are won, or doctors/clinics otherwise are held to account in a serious way and the money dries up.

Ultimately in the US in particular this is about a 2.1 billion dollar industry. It is all about money and a corporate backed consumer industry based on shoddy foundations. The industry profits off human suffering and stereotypes about women, men and sexualities. Cut off that profit factor and things will improve though obviously the issues will remain just in different forms.

I agree.

The insurance is the killer.

Cass will actually have had an impact on the US for this reason because insurers will be looking closely at the direction of travel.

TempestTost · 24/10/2024 02:03

fromorbit · 22/10/2024 06:18

Well actually things in Canada may change gender wise as the Conservatives are looking at a landslide in 2025.

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-abacus-data-october/

Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ban-trans-women-sports-bathrooms-1.7120972

Of course they may not follow through, or it may be more up to provincial government. The tone of the debate is changing at least that it looks like. Some Canadians may know more.

However, despite setbacks in Australia etc long term it seems the nature of the gender wars are changing as gender realists are getting more organised and are fighting back worldwide.

I think it's really hard to say how it will go, even with the almost certain change in government.

Right now it's also almost certain the Liberals will have a new leader before then. Whether that mitigates the landslide is difficult to say, I suspect it won't to any great degree.

Part of the issue is that so much has already been encoded in law, and human rights stuff which is not always easy to change once it's been done.

But I alsl think a lot may depend on what the media do. As far as major voices in the media, the National Post is the only place you regularly find GI critical articles. And while it's a major national newspapers, only certain people read it - a lot will assume anything it prints is likely to be bigoted.

I don't see the CBC changing their coverage. But maybe CTV/Global might start being more open in their reporting and they are the other major national broadcast station.

I really think the lack of robust media in Canada, and the much healthier media in the UK, made a big difference in getting the ball rolling against GI.

fromorbit · 24/10/2024 11:17

TempestTost · 24/10/2024 02:03

I think it's really hard to say how it will go, even with the almost certain change in government.

Right now it's also almost certain the Liberals will have a new leader before then. Whether that mitigates the landslide is difficult to say, I suspect it won't to any great degree.

Part of the issue is that so much has already been encoded in law, and human rights stuff which is not always easy to change once it's been done.

But I alsl think a lot may depend on what the media do. As far as major voices in the media, the National Post is the only place you regularly find GI critical articles. And while it's a major national newspapers, only certain people read it - a lot will assume anything it prints is likely to be bigoted.

I don't see the CBC changing their coverage. But maybe CTV/Global might start being more open in their reporting and they are the other major national broadcast station.

I really think the lack of robust media in Canada, and the much healthier media in the UK, made a big difference in getting the ball rolling against GI.

Interesting points. We are only going to see what the next stage looks like in individual countries gradually. What happens in Canada clearly will be interconnected with developments in the US too.

At the en of the day everything that is happening now is saving people from making huge mistakes.

lcakethereforeIam · 25/10/2024 17:52

I've followed some of the links, they're interesting. Although that AAP might fall down because of consumer protection laws!

https://www.scribd.com/document/772565220/9-24-24-AAP-letter#from_embed

Trading standards, ffs. Like Al Capone, murderous gangster, didn't pay his taxes. The long letter from the State asks a bunch of questions and they requested answers by 8th October. I wonder what's happening with it 🍿

9--24-24 AAP letter

9--24-24 AAP letter

9--24-24 AAP letter

https://www.scribd.com/document/772565220/9-24-24-AAP-letter#from_embed

duc748 · 25/10/2024 18:21

Good for Idaho! And with support from a few other States, I see. Too much to hope any of them would be blue ones, though.

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