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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Malaga Airport at 35

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RoyalCorgi · 14/10/2024 09:50

I wanted to give this thread the correct title, and then remembered it's a term we're not allowed to use on Mumsnet.

A trans woman academic called Anne Lawrence has written an article about a certain three-letter acronym.

https://annelawrence.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/autogynephilia-at-35.pdf

What's interesting about this article is that Lawrence freely admits that Malaga Airport exists and that is the underlying motivation for much male-to-female transition. Lawrence notes that many "trans positive" people furiously deny that the three-letter acronym exists.

Lawrence naturally also attacks feminists who disapprove of Malaga Airport.

I wonder if this open admission about the existence of the three-letter acronym might backfire. It certainly doesn't fit nicely with the heartrending "trapped in the wrong body" narrative used to win over the general public.

I am mildly amused by the fact that Lawrence's three references all refer to work by Lawrence. It seems appropriate under the circumstances.

https://annelawrence.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/autogynephilia-at-35.pdf

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/10/2024 10:15

All the "sexologists" seem to take this view. They are fascinated by the inner lives of men, but don't see women's feelings as particularly important.

YesterdaysFuture · 15/10/2024 13:49

Understanding about it is important for personal relationships, particularly around causing trans widows etc.

But it becomes a bit of a distraction for women-only spaces, because it doesn't matter whether a man has it or not he shouldn't be in those spaces. I personally don't believe that a lot of these men in women-only spaces or the trans prisoners have any sort of gender dysphoria (whether borne out of this issue or something else), it's just currently the easiest (quite literally) get of jail free card to play.

I'm sure there have been men pretending to be maintenance or toilet cleaners to gain access to these areas. I suspect that they don't have fetish or deep down believe that they are toilet cleaners, it's just an excuse.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/10/2024 14:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/10/2024 10:15

All the "sexologists" seem to take this view. They are fascinated by the inner lives of men, but don't see women's feelings as particularly important.

Yup, for Bailey, Blanchard, Zucker, Cantor, Burgo et al. all the compassion and understanding flows in the direction of the men and all that women receive is criticism for causing a fuss and not being nicer to these ‘poor men’ 🙄

And the most annoying part of it is that Bailey & Co can’t even see how plainly sexist they’re being about this issue.

But then again, these sexologists were the men who, without ever thinking of consulting women or wondering if women would be against the idea (or if this would cause problems for women), advised paraphiliac men to test their commitment to ‘living as women’ by using women’s spaces in the first place.

These sexologists never even questioned why women might be insulted or affected negatively by males who want to mimic us….so I shouldn’t really be surprised, should I? Women are obviously not full people with our own rights and lives and needs to either the sexologists or the men they study 🤷‍♀️

TempestTost · 15/10/2024 17:48

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2024 09:21

The problem is that a male with a Spanish tendency, doesn't have to 'misbehave' if he is using the female toilets for it to be an issue.

He's still getting off on the idea and using the women without their consent (the bit he gets off on) just from 'just having a pee'.

So he doesn't need to be whacking one of for this to be problematic. He's still getting off on the power dynamics of it. And the women have not consented. And there are implications to liking this.

The issue with getting off on the idea of women not consenting is why it presents an underlying problem we can't ignore as women. Especially knowing those offending rates.

What alarms me, is this is an attempt to normalise this and say that women have nothing to worry about and we should accept it.

I think though this touches on the element of, what the heck do we mean by sexual preference anyway?

The whole alphabet soup, the flag thing, all of this comes from a sense that pursuit of sexual interests is an identity of some kind. Or something it's really important you be authenic about, or you aren't being true to yourself.

My cousin the other day was telling me about her weird friend who is into kink and is having a hard time meeting someone, but really wants a relationship, and he isn't sure when to bring up the kink thing.

The idea that maybe it's kind of a turn off for a lot of women doesn't seem to occur to him, there is an idea that it's just how he is and the kind of sex he needs to haven to be fulfilled.

In reality though, every preference we have is not healthy and isn't always something we need to indulge all the time. We don't tend to think that way about other things, like food. Why not?

Unfortunately by the time people figure out how limiting some of these things are they are very difficult to deal with because they have been well established and reinforced as behaviours.

Villagetoraiseachild · 15/10/2024 17:49

ErrolTheDragon · 15/10/2024 07:59

It can't be used over-generally either though!

An acronym in need of a Venn diagram...

TempestTost · 15/10/2024 17:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/10/2024 10:15

All the "sexologists" seem to take this view. They are fascinated by the inner lives of men, but don't see women's feelings as particularly important.

I suspect there is a tendency for doctors to become myopic in terms of thinking about what would be good for their patient, without thinking how that would impact society as a whole. Not just on this but in general.

There's maybe a tendency for authorities to make the assumption that doctors' recommendations are more holistic than they often will be? It might actually not be best for doctors to be the people who should think about the larger effect.

SquirrelSoShiny · 15/10/2024 18:22

TempestTost · 15/10/2024 17:48

I think though this touches on the element of, what the heck do we mean by sexual preference anyway?

The whole alphabet soup, the flag thing, all of this comes from a sense that pursuit of sexual interests is an identity of some kind. Or something it's really important you be authenic about, or you aren't being true to yourself.

My cousin the other day was telling me about her weird friend who is into kink and is having a hard time meeting someone, but really wants a relationship, and he isn't sure when to bring up the kink thing.

The idea that maybe it's kind of a turn off for a lot of women doesn't seem to occur to him, there is an idea that it's just how he is and the kind of sex he needs to haven to be fulfilled.

In reality though, every preference we have is not healthy and isn't always something we need to indulge all the time. We don't tend to think that way about other things, like food. Why not?

Unfortunately by the time people figure out how limiting some of these things are they are very difficult to deal with because they have been well established and reinforced as behaviours.

This is so true although then we get shouted down for kink shaming

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