Moira Deeming defamation trial - Thread 2 from Australia

[TheSandgroper]

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on?page=40&reply=138525746

Tribunal Tweets Substack https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/moira-deeming-v-john-pesutto-a-case?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share. Thanks to @BezMills

Thanks to everyone on thread 1. I am pleased it generated such interest and conversations. I have learnt a lot from many very bright women.

She didn't describe an authors work as paedophile apologia. She described the creators of the Safe Schools programme (as a group) "paedophile apologists". The language is clear.

And it's striking to me that she would do that, yet claims defamation over statements saying she associated with people that associated with the far right .

I think you've misunderstood the meaning of the phrase "paedophile apologists". It doesn't mean that the people in question are themselves paedophiles, but that their statements are arguing in favour of legalising, normalising, or enabling paedophiles.

Interesting article by Roz Ward about George Pell, of whom she says
I hope very soon he rots in that crypt and that the edifice of the church comes crashing down around his stinking corpse.

She didn't get her wish. What actually happened was that his conviction for child abuse was overturned and he was found innocent of the charges.

@CassieMaddox The school chaplaincy program no longer exists. A change of government saw it closed down. It should never have existed in state (public) schools.

From the link:
How are these people allowed to run schools with billions of dollars of public funding? Why have their assets not been frozen and their land taken?

How indeed. They shouldn’t be receiving any government funding at all. Private schools should be exactly that but they receive more federal funding than state schools, with state governments left to do the majority of the funding for them. Private schools shouldn’t receive any public funding and shouldn’t be tax exempt. If the government took over the schools and made them public then we would have a much better education system. They have some seriously expensive facilities at them.

This thread is now just an extension of Pesutto’s plan to oust Deeming. “There must be something she’s said we can use against her, we need more, let’s find more and add that to the list.”

Do we know if Deeming said anything prior to 2016? Did she say anything bad about puppies when she was in high school? Did she use language deemed inappropriate while in church one day? Must sling mud, slur, get it on the Aston uni language scraping that she’s a bad person.

@NotBadConsidering Maybe she doesn’t volunteer for tuckshop or the P&C at her children’s school. I’m sure the Victorian Liberal leadership would hate that. Schools are after all designed to need the free labour provided by SAHMs.

😂
I'm just checking the assertions people are making on the thread. I had never heard of Roz Ward before this.

Sure.
The phrase that keeps coming to my mind is "you reap what you sow".

Speaking of which I see KJK hasn't got her visa so can't speak at CPAC. I wonder if she'll still get paid?

Wait, I take that back. Her children are homeschooled by her DH who is currently a SAHD. No tuckshop volunteering to be done.

It must be a policy that they are advised to follow by their lawyers. Ben Cooper had to do the same thing, over and over.

As a tactic, it's bloody counter-productive.

On second thoughts, I think it's less likely the lawyers advise it, and more likely that these men who end up at these tribunals just can't help themselves. The sound of their own voice should slay the entire courtroom, as far as they're concerned.

This thread is now just an extension of Pesutto’s plan to oust Deeming

it's almost comical

Thank you!

That's brilliant!. Whoever coined lobster with a mobster is just genius.

What a brilliant article. it's like something out of the Godfather!!

Andrews seized the opportunity to condemn Guy for “taking the mafia’s money” when the opposition tried to continue its “tough on crime” agenda during question time.

He insists he met with long-time Liberal supporter Frank Lamattina and his cousin, the alleged Melbourne mafia boss Tony Madafferi, to discuss the fruit and vegetable markets.

He was asked to state at least one anti-trans quote or belief that Deeming had said. He couldn’t come up with anything.

I believe that the £1 million reward is still out there for anyone who can find something transphobic that J. K. Rowling said.

Funny how women saying they don't want men in their spaces isn't transphobic when saying it makes you look like the biggest misogynist on the planet

Funny how women saying they don't want men in their spaces isn't transphobic when saying it makes you look like the biggest misogynist on the planet

Yes, it really is strange how people like this avoid saying it or being clear about what's being demanded.

They are politicians - they view questions not as actually questions but a chance to expound on whatever their topic of the day is.

I think the court should be able to find them in contempt for wasting court time like that.

Yes, Pesutto should have to cough up for the extra costs incurred by the delay which he caused by his evasiveness...

All the defence documents are up now. I don't think Deeming claiming she didn't organise it is particularly credible. It's also a bit cringe to read about the feminist infighting 😂

And Roz Ward features - no love lost clearly, which I would not have even picked up on if not for this thread.

So Trumpian!
Let Women Speak: This organisation and its goals are mainstream and global ans supported by high profile members and leaders of every mainstream political party in the world

😂 That's really tickled me! Grandiose much

Was an extreme example of a man who loves the sound of his own voice and ignores the nonsense he spouts. A bit Lammyesque I thought.

That Roz Ward was chosen to spearhead the creation of the Safe Schools program was a bizarre decision of the Andrews Labor government. Her goose was finally cooked when, under a photograph of the gay and lesbian flag flying above Victorian parliament, Ms Ward joked with a friend on Facebook: “Now we just need to get rid of the racist Australian flag on top of state parliament and get a red one up there and my work is done.”

The ‘red’ is a reference to the Marxist flag – Ward is a prominent Marxist. After these comments, she was immediately suspended from her job at La Trobe uni.

Specifically, La Trobe claimed Ward’s conduct:

“a. … Undermined public confidence in the Safe Schools program by undermining public confidence in you as a researcher and as a person associated with the Safe Schools program.”

“b. … Damages the reputation of the Safe Schools program and aligns the Safe Schools program with views which have nothing to do with the program and its message and content.”

“c. … Has required members of the Victorian Government to take up their time in defending the Safe Schools program, rather than be positive advocates for the Safe Schools program.”

“d. … Has required senior staff at the University to take up their time in defending the Safe Schools program, rather than be positive advocates for the Safe Schools program or undertake other duties they have.”

“e. … drawn (your colleagues) into the negative publicity around Safe Schools and this has impacted on their ability to continue with their research in a safe environment.”

Safe Schools was a fucking car crash of a program, originating from a hotbed of politically and sexually radical ideology. Not an ok source for the development of school curriculum. I cannot believe this is a controversial position for Deeming to hold. It just shows how successful the 'queering the community' agenda has been.

Safe Schools was a fucking car crash of a program, originating from a hotbed of politically and sexually radical ideology. Not an ok source for the development of school curriculum.

Yes, and we can see the same happened here. It was social engineering.

Look at some of the UK based programmes we've discussed on Mumsnet over the years.

indeed. Bloody awful.

And it's perfectly obvious, certainly to anyone paying attention, what the agenda is.

If people who you expect to be in control cannot curb the dodgy, pervy, creepy infiltration of children's education, then it should not be given up for tender.

One programme, government approved, with input from parents and child safeguarders. One. Rolled out to every school in the country, age adjusted.

No room for anyone else to have any input.

Thanks again for your contributions mothra. I think this post needs to be repeated.

So, two academics Dr Steven Angelides and Prof Gary Dowsett have contributed to the content and administration of the Safe Schools program.

And you have mentioned:

“Dr Steven Angelides: “There is research to show that, as well as feeling a sense of power and control in sexual encounters with adults, children can frequently experience sexual pleasure … It is imperative that children’s sexual desires and sense of power and pleasure not only be recognised but also normalised.” “Sex and the Child.” Meanjin, Volume 63, Issue 4, 2004.”

”There are lots of other quotes from Dr Angelides.”

”I have already quoted Deputy Director of the Centre, Prof Gary Dowsett extensively on this thread, advocating inter alia for the 'sexual rights' of children (and no, he doesn't mean the right of children to be safe from predatory social engineers).”

I agree with your posts.

I am not sure I see how the team responsible for Safe Schools who have allowed these men to contribute to school programmes for children in any way, and did not raise the alarm on discovering these men’s beliefs, don’t fit the description of paedophile apologist. They have supported, through allowing these men to influence the programme, safeguarding lapses that allow children to be harmed.