Labour is betraying women

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. . . If Starmer’s government has achieved so much depressing stuff in 71 days, roughly 4 per cent of the way into a possible 5-year term, what they might achieve by the end of it fills me with dread. I believe that Labour showed us, and in some instances told us, what they would do, or not do, to ensure the continued erosion of women’s rights, and they are doing exactly what they said. Why some feminist women, seemingly in a blind bond to Labour, didn’t believe them escapes me. It also infuriates me that they think Labour deserve a bit more rope to hang us with.

Some prominent left-wing women, before the election, pleaded with us to trust Labour and allow them space to make the right decisions. They suggested that it was wrong to focus on the single issue of gender ideology, because women would benefit in so many other ways under a Labour government.

I wonder, did they envisage this Labour government? The one maintaining unequal benefits, placing violent men amongst their female victims and keeping the blurred line between gender and sex embedded in law? I can understand if those women were now as dismayed as the rest of us at what they are seeing, but instead they appear to be spinning for Labour, suggesting the violent men aren’t really being released or excusing it by blaming the Tories. They suggest we should wait and see what happens, keep the faith, trust the process. After many years of being told that women are influencing Labour “behind the scenes” my faith in that has gone.

If you are a feminist woman openly critical of Labour you may now be accused of “right wing drift”. This is nonsense. Instead, should scrutiny not be focused on how far Labour have drifted from the left? This is where condemnation should be aimed. . . .

NB - these are only some paragraphs from the article - you can read the whole article here - https://thecritic.co.uk/labour-is-betraying-women/

Sadly, yes.

Good news!

SNP have just scrapped plans to ban stoves.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-humiliating-u-turn-scottish-33706103

Heh! Good news for Scots, anyway. Who probably deserve a bit.

If they are really serious they'd just have committed to completely eliminating it. That would be just as realistic a statement.

Unfortunately I don't think it will sink in. There seem to be some women who really do believe it's better be fucked over by a man in a red rosette than a blue one.

The well adjusted male feminists of r/LabourUK - I imagine there will be further threads if it gets any media coverage

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/YmPoEZjobM

I believe they clarified that they would implement Cass in full, although I haven't got a link to that effect.

But as for protecting single sex spaces - that, from what I have seen, depends entirely on which definition of 'sex' you're using. They've been all over the place. I'm a big fan of LWD so, if they're going along with this then that's very disappointing.

Totally well adjusted. They're a scary bunch, aren't they?

They are.

The horror when they realise who Reem is

Someone half arsedly sticks up for her, then decides that the rest of the UN don't agree with her so anything she says is worthless and they "support the UN".

On one level I am not surprised by the comments.

They are in line with SU type believes.

So any idea who this group is made up of.

Labour Party members, party hacks, or ... ?

But seeing this just confirms my believe that Labour will do the very least they can get away with, in terms of protecting women's sex based rights.

It's the main Labour Party subreddit, but from what I've noticed a lot of people just avoid these mad trans threads so it's always the same dull group of misogynistic men commenting.

Oh that is depressing. Even if it is the same few who make these comments, the fact that no one is prepared to say something quite mild like that isn't factually correct, we need to make sure we dont give Labour a bad name by misrepresenting things.

Or even (ha ha) saying its good that Labour is a mature enough party to allow different voices to be heard.

I am afraid you are right. Labour is misogynistic in outlook (witness treatment of Abbott and Duffield). They are not going to back-track on transrights (aka as trans privilege, MRA).0

https://labourlist.org/2024/09/labour-conference-women-two-child-cap-trans-winter-fuel/

No motions on trans rights
Meanwhile one Equality Act motion that will not make the cut was a Glasgow Cathart submission which called for the party to “commit to a tightening of the definition of ‘women’ in the Equality Act to mean biological women only”, and to oppose any reform of gender recognition across the UK or Scotland.
Another unsuccessful motion from North Shropshire CLP had Labour to “acknowledge the principle of women’s sex-based rights and clarify ‘sex’ in law means ‘biological sex’.”
A further motion by Manchester Central CLP had urged the party to stick to a manifesto pledge on reforming gender recognition law, deliver a trans-inclusive ban on conversion therapy and make hate crime motivated by sexual orientation and transgender identity aggravated offences.

The Women's Branch of my Labour CLP (terms outnumber the woke brigade by 10-1) put a motion to conference (being held in Liverpool this weekend) regarding strengthening the Equality Act 2010 to protect women's single-sex spaces, sports etc. We were only one of several CLPs to submit similar motions. The motion was carefully worded by women who have done these things many times before and know the rulebook and the ropes. Every word was run past people in the know before the motion was submitted. It was rejected for the use of a single word which, according to the selection committee, created a category or procedural issue (there were two different people who gave two different explanations for the rejection).

Here's a really good article from Labour List on how Labour has suppressed women's concerns because they're too difficult to handle:
https://labourlist.org/2024/09/labour-conference-women-two-child-cap-trans-winter-fuel/
There are photos of me holding a Labour Has A Woman Problem banner at various events over the last five years. I'm still holding it.

Ah, @Ereshkigalangcleg you posted during the half hour it took me to get my post together!

I've got several friends attending both the conferences this weekend (the women's as well as the party conference) and already they're mighty pissed off with what they're seeing.

How devastating. What a slap in the face from Labour.

I have to ask, why don't all these incredible women leave and form a genuinely socialist/left wing, feminist party? It's been over 100 years of being sidelined and vilified by your supposed colleagues with the occasional sop thrown to you. Sorry if this is a naive or silly question, I just can't see what point there is in you staying.

My spirits were so low going into this election knowing how fucked we were going to be when Labour got in. They haven't done a single thing to offset that yet (bar Wes as Health Secretary for having some courage to continue protecting children as started by the Tories).

I feel completely politically homeless and watching Labour drive ever more people towards Reform is like watching a slow motion car crash.

Surely the days when Conference (as it used to known) was, if it ever was, a policy-deciding event, have long gone, and these days party conferences (all parties) are no more than a PR operation. So nothing that will frighten the horses. It's cynical, but that's how it is. All that said, obviously, the pressure has to be kept on the govt somehow.

It's better to have your first hand perspective!

Grim. It reminds me of a post on another thread about how some mad gender thing was pushed through for a party because the only people who turned up to hear it and get involved were a group of 20 organised GI activists.

This is the problem. That politics has increasingly become a closed box of nutjobs that only lets in other nutjobs and defends their territory and control from any inroad of sanity or contact with reality. Until we have enough people outside of that box willing and able to give up the time and be in these places and break into these ivory tower cabals, its just going to go on getting madder and madder.

The question needs to be: what is stopping the average person going into politics? (Obvious in many cases: time, money, a life, a real job, no desire to go and argue all day with people with very odd perspectives and no morals) Who is stopping the talent and sanity rising into positions of power? And what do we do to change this?

I kept hoping as we got to an election where hardly any of the electorate wanted any of the parties on offer or their policies, those parties would split and the constrained new blood inside would create new parties with sanity. It didn't happen. Either there is no new blood and these parties really are now dead zombies walking, or the cabals are so well defended that no one but yesmen are getting in there, or the apathy/shallowness is reaching call the crash cart stages. Which would explain obsessions with ticket sales, vague noises, and stamping on women and the elderly instead of addressing actual issues.

If this doesn't change then yes, it will inevitably be that the electorate will get pissed off enough to go for anyone with a bit of oomph and a plan, and the capacity to do anything at all. Germany's voters responded similarly in 1929.

Yes I think that was Plaid Cymru @Anastomosisrex

If this doesn't change then yes, it will inevitably be that the electorate will get pissed off enough to go for anyone with a bit of oomph and a plan, and the capacity to do anything at all. Germany's voters responded similarly in 1929.

I very much fear that is what we are sleepwalking into - not just here in the UK, of course.