I could weep with relief. Scotland's gender medicine experts BACK the Cass review.

[GargoylesofBeelzebub]

www.holyrood.com/news/view,trans-healthcare-experts-reject-call-to-suspend-cass-review-implementation

Their comments are empathetic and sane. What a huge relief.

Useful presentation from Michael Biggs. Covers the criteria for the protocol at about 18 mins.

Thanks for this @DameMaud

Listening to the calm and measured words from Michael as he discusses the use of these dangerous drugs on children's bodies is a bit jarring. Numerous damning points - including the experimental nature of these dangerous medicines that medics have used on many vulnerable children. 😡

Yes Mrs O. It's a very clear presentation, and very relevent to look at again re discussions about the proposed clinical trials, I think. I just can't see how the same issues won't be inherent?

I'm not a medic but I fail to see how any trial of PBs can happen? How will medics be able to explain to a teenager the potential for future infertility, anorgasmia, restricted brain development, osteoporosis and other negative impacts on the body? How can a child realistically consent to their body being harmed like this?

Or maybe that's what putting this into child healthcare involves? Getting the trans extremists away from having any further influence on medicine and restoring ethical medical treatment?

Yes. And on the disclaimer theme, I'm not an ethicist- (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!) but I think what you're talking about is something around utilitarianism vs deontology?
Is this what the medical ethicists will have to consider? (Any on here?)

Also. If part of the trial is still to see which children would experience benefit over harm, wouldn't the issues around why almost all children progress to cross sex hormones still be there? (All the obvious, frequently discussed reasons why delayed puberty is more likely to entrench a cross sex identity/cease puberty which is its own resolution for most)

And, as pp noted above- how could the trial differentiate between the benefits of psychological therapy inputs and blockers (as was also flagged re the Dutch protocol) if both are happening simultaneously?

So many questions!

And following them through does maybe lead back to your speculative point Mrs O.

Perhaps things have gone so far, and are so entrenched, that his presents itself to the medical community/goverment as the only and imperfect way forward.

Rather than start a new thread I am adding this link here on the basis that the author was a community paediatrician in Glasgow for over 30 years, with expertise in paediatric neurodisability and autism, until retiring in 2016. Jenny is on the board of the Scottish Union for Education (SUE), which campaigns against indoctrination in Scottish schools, and is the author of SUE’s pamphlet, Transgender ideology in Scottish schools: What’s wrong with government guidance?

Dr Jenny Cunningham, a retired paediatrician, explains why the Cass Review has been invaluable – but not without some weaknesses.
https://www.academyofideas.uk/p/two-cheers-for-the-cass-review-but

(hope it being part of Battle of Ideas wont be a distraction!)

I've not heard of Jenny Cunningham but I wonder how much she was able to say and do whilst working for the health service in Scotland.

Or whether it is only now she is no longer part of it she feels able to speak out.

There is no contradiction between McHugh’s characterisation of gender dysphoria as part of a group of delusory mind–body disorders and the conception of it as a social contagion among teenaged girls. The latter is well known in relation to anorexia nervosa, but what is specific to the contemporary phenomenon is that teenagers have been so thoroughly inducted into transgender ideology in schools and online and imbued with the fallacy of sex being on a spectrum and mutable. Gender dysphoria/incongruence is part of a cultural narrative that confers attention and endorsement.

Amen to that.