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Afghan women's voices

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ArabellaScott · 25/08/2024 13:17

Given the latest attempt by the Taliban to further silence the women of Afghanistan, seek out the writing and words and music of Afghan women.

Here's a long and very well written article on landays - a form of Afghan poetry.

https://static.poetryfoundation.org/o/media/landays.html

'When sisters sit together, they always praise their brothers.
When brothers sit together, they sell their sisters to others.'

'In Afghan culture, poetry is revered, particularly the high literary forms that derive from Persian or Arabic. But the poem above is a folk couplet — a landay — an oral and often anonymous scrap of song created by and for mostly illiterate people: the more than twenty million Pashtun women who span the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan'

Landays: Poetry of Afghan Women

Poetry Magazine, June 2013

https://static.poetryfoundation.org/o/media/landays.html

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DworkinWasRight · 02/09/2024 07:47

Notnewbutveryold · 01/09/2024 23:34

I’ve not seen it mentioned anywhere but we watch a lot of cricket in our house and the Afghanistan men’s team are breaking through in limited overs matches. Is there any way to use this as a lever? Not sure when the national team is due to play next but maybe some sort of protest there?
I’ll do a bit of digging

I remember the days when we had a sporting boycott against South Africa.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 02/09/2024 13:58

DworkinWasRight · 02/09/2024 07:47

I remember the days when we had a sporting boycott against South Africa.

Ive no idea how to go about organising protests but we need to start

HousedInMySoul · 02/09/2024 18:51

DworkinWasRight · 02/09/2024 07:47

I remember the days when we had a sporting boycott against South Africa.

Yes, this. They should be sanctioned against in all possible ways until the law is repealed

TheABC · 02/09/2024 19:56

I am so frustrated by this. Normally there would be a boycott, protests, letters from charities....yet silence. Its like the world has collectively shrugged.

Fuck them.
Fuck the Afghan men too, who conspire with this, too - who collude in the imprisonment of their mothers, daughters, wives and sisters.

I want to do something more than wring my hands and donate money, especially when most of it ends up back with those fundamentalist bustards.

littlbrowndog · 02/09/2024 20:37

Thanks arabella.

where are the protests. Where are the marches.

it’s just women so they don’t matter

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2024 06:39

Thanks. Interesting about Pakistan's aid - I don't know much about that aspect.

Yes to the World Service, although there is already a radio station broadcasting similar in Afghanistan, I posted it upthread or on another thread.

As for penpals - great, but how?

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Imnobody4 · 03/09/2024 16:29

Powerful speech from Nahid Fattahi
https://x.com/NahidFattahi/status/1829581460044681300?t=s36ocVnuVaMMKJdUS278oA&s=19

Islamic countries, Muslim men, Muslim women, people of Afghanistan and specially Afghan men: Your silence is a betrayal. By allowing the Taliban’s gender apartheid and brutality to go unchallenged, you let them hijack Islam. This is not our faith. Stand up now—reclaim Islam’s true essence of peace and justice. The world is watching. Silence is no longer an option.

#EndGenderApartheid #Afghanistan #StandwithWomenOfAfghanistan

I'm still waiting for the outrage from politicians and religious leaders. I'm so sick of the accusations of apartheid levelled at Israel when this actual real gender apartheid passes unnoticed.

x.com

https://x.com/NahidFattahi/status/1829581460044681300?s=19&t=s36ocVnuVaMMKJdUS278oA

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2024 07:30

Yes, ban the fucking cricket.

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Imnobody4 · 07/09/2024 16:45

From Janice's article.

Campaigners are enraged to hear that female advances in every sphere of life, from law to sport, were a mere blip. They say the Taliban’s edicts are neither social “norms” nor Islamic law but mechanisms of social control (and of men, too, who are brutally punished for not keeping “wayward” womenfolk in check). What they endure needs a name and in October the UN legal committee will debate codifying a new crime against humanity into international law: gender apartheid. Existing laws address abuse of women but campaigners, from Nobel laureates to Amnesty, believe none fully capture the codified, systemic abuse of Afghan women.

Who do we lobby.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2024 21:04

This is a magazine featuring work from women from Afghanistan.

https://www.instagram.com/underthestarryafghansky

There's a fair few accounts on Insta that are schools or groups supporting women-.Online Herat School is one. Most are in Arabic script (I don't know enough to discern what languages) but there is auto translate.

Give them a follow and let them know.we've not forgotten them.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/underthestarryafghansky

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ArabellaScott · 07/09/2024 21:10

Imnobody4 · 07/09/2024 16:58

Yes, although they fuck it all up at the end:

'Does this apply to people who don’t identify as women but are also discriminated against for their actual or perceived gender or sex?

Targeting based on gender is not limited to women and can include victims who identify as women, girls, men, boys, nonbinary, and LGBTQI+ persons. Gender crimes target persons based on their sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression (e.g. woman/girl, man/boy, or nonbinary), or based on their sex. The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court’s guidance on gender crimes defines gender as “sex characteristics and social constructs and criteria used to define maleness and femaleness, including roles, behaviours, activities and attributes.” These social constructs can vary between societies and can change over time. '

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ArabellaScott · 08/09/2024 18:32

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/08/the-observer-view-on-afghanistan-britain-and-the-us-are-complicit-in-the-talibans-oppression-of-women

'they have been let down again by the failure of liberal democracies to take action against the Taliban. In June, the UN held a conference on Afghanistan and acceded to the Taliban’s demands that Afghan women be excluded. Afghanistan under the Taliban is not being treated as the international pariah that it should be; the country continues to be a full member of the International Cricket Council, for example, despite not having a national women’s team that is a requirement of membership. After withdrawing from Afghanistan in 2021, the previous Conservative government relocated just 2,000 Afghans through its resettlement schemes, despite pledging to bring 20,000 – including female human rights activists. Afghan women are right to feel as if the west has abandoned them, and is effectively ignoring their brutal oppression.'

The Observer view on Afghanistan: Britain and the US are complicit in the Taliban’s oppression of women

Despite the regime withdrawing even the most basic human rights of women and girls, liberal democracies have failed to take action

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/08/the-observer-view-on-afghanistan-britain-and-the-us-are-complicit-in-the-talibans-oppression-of-women

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ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 09:19

[email protected]

This is the email for the ICC .

I encourage women to write to tell them to remove Afghanistan as a member.

'The Anti-Discrimination Policy ... one of the toughest in world sport - confirms a level of commitment from the ICC and its Members to promote and encourage participation at all levels regardless of race, colour, religion, descent, culture, ethnic origin, nationality, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability, marital status and/or maternity status and to ensure that there is no discrimination in the sport.'

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/anti-discrimination/about-us

About ICC Cricket | International Cricket Council

As the international governing body for cricket, the International Cricket Council works to develop cricket as a leading global sport.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/ethics/code-of-ethics

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ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 10:17

Shame on New Zealand for playing Afghanistan. I can't actually believe all these men are smiling away, playing fucking cricket with each other, while women are imprisoned and silenced in Afghanistan.

https://x.com/ACBofficials

x.com

https://x.com/ACBofficials

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 10:19

I agree @ArabellaScott

ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 10:22

It's unbelievable.

The social media is all merrily supporting both teams. Not a fucking word about the women of Afghanistan. They really don't fucking care, do they?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 10:29

No, they don't.

ArabellaScott · 09/09/2024 11:31

Sorry to add to this thread.

Unfolding disaster of starving children in Afghanistan:

'Up until August 2021, international funds given directly to the previous government funded nearly all public healthcare in Afghanistan.

When the Taliban took over, the money was stopped because of international sanctions against them. This triggered a healthcare collapse. Aid agencies stepped in to provide what was meant to be a temporary emergency response.

It was always an unsustainable solution, and now, in a world distracted by so much else, funding for Afghanistan has shrunk. Equally, the Taliban government’s policies, specifically its restrictions on women, have meant that donors are hesitant to give funds.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj35611ngyro

A baby in a hospital in Afghanistan

Afghanistan: Babies dying as malnutrition disaster unfolds

Acute malnutrition, which has ravaged Afghanistan for decades, has reached an unprecedented level.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj35611ngyro

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 14:37

'“When I learnt about the new law, I decided not to attend the course any more. Because if I go out, I’ll end up speaking and then something bad might happen. Maybe I won’t return home safely. But then my mother encouraged me to continue.”
In the three years since the Taliban takeover, it's become clear that even if edicts aren’t strictly imposed, people start self-regulating out of fear. Women continue to be visible in small numbers on the streets of cities like Kabul, but nearly all of them now are covered from head to toe in loose black clothes or dark blue burqas, and most of them cover their faces with only their eyes visible, the impact of a decree announced last year.
“Every moment you feel like you’re in a prison. Even breathing has become difficult here," said Nausheen, an activist.'

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 14:38

'“I believe that when it comes to aid, the world should continue helping Afghanistan. But when it comes to talking to the Taliban, there should be a rule that in each discussion women must be present. And if that can’t happen, they [the international community] should stop talking to them,” psychologist Karina said.
“The world must care about what’s happening with Afghan women, because if it doesn’t this mentality could easily spread to them, to their homes.”'

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