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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: BBC used paedophile chauffeur for 30 years

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 24/08/2024 14:54

This is astounding.

BBC used paedophile chauffeur for 30 years

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1801/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1801/pub/1801/page/16/article/NaN

"THE BBC used chauffeurs convicted of paedophilia to transport celebrities and high-profile guests over almost 30 years, The Telegraph can reveal.
Niven Sinclair was paid millions of pounds to run a chauffeur service for the broadcaster from the late 1970s until at least 2006, despite being a paedophile – with convictions that included raping a child at gunpoint.
His firm was responsible for transporting celebrities including Jimmy Savile as well as ferrying guests including Ted Heath, the prime minister at the time, to and from BBC studios.
One of the drivers employed by Sinclair was David Smith, another convicted paedophile who went on to abuse at least two children at the BBC’s studios."

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WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:02

duc748 · 24/08/2024 17:33

I wouldn't hold your breath with Lisa 'chocolate fire-guard' Nandy in charge.

Dunno if it's relevant or not but her mother worked for ITV.

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:02

If the Labour Party are serious about clamping down on misogyny, they really do need to look at the BBC asap.

Feckedupbundle · 24/08/2024 19:09

I'm so glad that I stopped paying the licence fee many years ago. Not only do I not miss any BBC output,but I know that I'm not funding this abuse.
If it were a private company,and not the BBC, it would have been torn to shreds by now,and probably no longer in existence. There must be no sacred cows when it comes to safeguarding.

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:26

The problem is that few people think like that and many rely on the bbc. Also for education content.

They need to be held to account

Iirc there was a huge review of safeguarding legislation within the bbc following the Brand revelations nearly a year ago and new rules brought in. More needs to be done.

I wonder how this was exposed?

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:27

Apologies I hadn't read the article.

What wasn't this included as part of operation yewtree?

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 19:35

LeFromage · 24/08/2024 18:51

the boundary pushing chat as savile did with Theroux as a child crossed the road in front of them ooh I think I’ve just seen my wife to be to test the waters with another man was one way

PIE was integral to connecting them between 1974-1984 look up Peter Righton social work expert and prison volunteer - they’d go in and befriend convicted paedophiles to get new members and grow their number - a boarding school master or residential care worker was top of the pile in terms of supply and access for themselves and others

also pre internet one way of grooming kids and connecting adult groomers with them was CB radio - lots of taxi drivers convicted which I’ve always wondered about the link between CB radio and taxi work

Peter Righton and members of PIE established the first gay youth group in Islington - they want young people questioning sexuality because gives them an in to start discussing it with them - see LGBT youth Scotland and Rennie and now others

Great post. Yes there was myriad ways to find each other.
They'd of have SEEN types of groups as well attached to orgs, though more underground obviously, special clubs and of course they would have found each other in members clubs like the Garrick, in the army, police and priesthood.

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 19:39

@WarriorN Im sure we have all done it, but it would be great if posters read article links and thread more, because it results in huge bloated threads full of repetition and misinformation otherwise.
General whinge after trying to wade through any and all of the boxers threads

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:42

I do agree, tho the basic headline here is appalling enough. I can't believe they didn't know about this.

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:45

the boundary pushing chat

I dread to think what the chat in the cabs was.

The recent heretics interview with Raj Persaud was mostly about the bbc and the power dynamics of being famous leading to abuse.

LeFromage · 24/08/2024 19:47

From archive research I did years ago Penthouse’s Forum was really pushing paedophilia during PIE period so the personal ads were full of heterosexual abusers wanting to connect with others

it turned out Penthouse was funding the gay rights officer role at the NCCL (now Liberty ) which was Nettie Pollard a key paedophile rights campaigner (much celebrated by PIE for being their first female member)

I was all keen on SEEN @Omlettes but Helen Joyce is making me reconsider in light of what I know about how vulnerable such groups are to malign infiltration and self perpetuation - such a headfuck to have to operate at such a level of cynicism all the time no wonder women are exhausted

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 24/08/2024 19:49

WarriorN · 24/08/2024 19:27

Apologies I hadn't read the article.

What wasn't this included as part of operation yewtree?

Apparently he was. But - there's a but:

x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1827283202345488410?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"This is an important investigation. I remember covering the David Smith case - he was part of Operation Yewtree - I felt there was some evasiveness on the part of the BBC at the time about his background."

Danny Shaw was BBC home affairs correspondent and an advisor to Yvette Cooper, according to his bio.

That tweet doesn't give you an answer but it does seem to possiblyindicate that someone who would know, felt somewhat in the dark?

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CrystalSea · 24/08/2024 19:52

MassiveSaladEater · 24/08/2024 16:56

Absolutely awful. But what all these terrible incidents have in common is men abusing their power. All large organisations with hierarchies have allowed this to occur. There needs to be a massive paradigm shift in the way men operate within organisations.

I am really wary of these cases being used as a way to dismantle the BBC rather than tackling misogyny as a whole. It’s really notable that the Murdoch press and other right wing commentators jump on this and create headlines placing the BBC front and centre. British people have no idea how precious the BBC is. It is the last respected British institution by the world and it is being deliberately attacked for business reasons. It’s really not in the name of protection of women.

Name and shame all the men who did this and speak out about misogyny but be careful before you go along with destroying a broadcasting service which is by no means perfect but the last good thing we have. First they came for the NHS and then the BBC.

What exactly is good about the BBC? It relentlessly pushes queer theory, normalised giving puberty blockers to prepubescent children, repeatedly fails in its duty to be be objective and impartial, and covers up and enables male stars who abuse women and children.

It’s rotten to the core.

MassiveSaladEater · 24/08/2024 19:56

@CrystalSea right oh. Carry on with Sky news then.

I work in an international environment. The BBC is the most highly regarded aspect of British culture abroad. We totally take it for granted.

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 19:59

LeFromage · 24/08/2024 19:47

From archive research I did years ago Penthouse’s Forum was really pushing paedophilia during PIE period so the personal ads were full of heterosexual abusers wanting to connect with others

it turned out Penthouse was funding the gay rights officer role at the NCCL (now Liberty ) which was Nettie Pollard a key paedophile rights campaigner (much celebrated by PIE for being their first female member)

I was all keen on SEEN @Omlettes but Helen Joyce is making me reconsider in light of what I know about how vulnerable such groups are to malign infiltration and self perpetuation - such a headfuck to have to operate at such a level of cynicism all the time no wonder women are exhausted

Absolutely.
Secret organisations are potentially dangerous, mission creep and hidden agendas are impossible to detect.
See the Masons, any cult you care to name , the Vatican etc etc etc. We could do this all day.
I would like the link between Prostasia and the Independent investigated as well, just as an aside.

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 20:01

MassiveSaladEater · 24/08/2024 19:56

@CrystalSea right oh. Carry on with Sky news then.

I work in an international environment. The BBC is the most highly regarded aspect of British culture abroad. We totally take it for granted.

Yes, sacred cows are protected for all sorts of dubious reasons, not least flag waving.

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 20:02

@CrystalSea ditto their misreporting of Gaza

MassiveSaladEater · 24/08/2024 20:07

@Omlettes please tell me a better broadcaster. I would be happy to switch if you could name one.

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 20:43

MassiveSaladEater · 24/08/2024 20:07

@Omlettes please tell me a better broadcaster. I would be happy to switch if you could name one.

Is that genuinely your only criteria?
I find that deeply disturbing, but I guess that whats kept this dinosaur breathing.
In the day of the internet there are now 1000s of options.
But I dont think I can help you given your priorities.

If the majority of viewers had dropped their license fee after Saville, none of the rest would be happening.
None of these evil deeds could continue without bystanders enabling them.
Not one, and this applies across the board in all areas of life.

WarriorN · 25/08/2024 07:27

But they didn't and it's a massive, worldwide, organisation that's not going anywhere soon.

We've more impact by listening/ watching and sending as many letters of complaint as possible.

I do see the bbc a little like the nhs, which is definitely not infallible. But, like the nhs it must be held to account and scrutiny. I personally think it has more internal safeguards now than places like channel 4 simply because it's so huge, is answerable to the public and parliament.

Some of the stuff on other platforms is abhorrent too. Naked attraction episode on trans man's phalloplasty for example.

True "balance" is almost impossible as no one has the same bias, life experience or view points. And that's where it's important to take from a wide range of sources. Doing this exposes what the bbc cannot say (I see it more and more now); at the same time the BBC's "balance" presents opposition which not all broadcasters do.

I'm not sure we can fully "trust" any media source, and we shouldn't. We should be ready to evaluate and critique all sources.

The bbc however does have an appalling lack of balance around the subject of this board. A bbc presenter I met in 2018 told me there was no balance for this topic at all then.

It is further on now. Mermaids was scrubbed from the site a number of years ago, other children's shows pulled. But its championing of drag queens is bizarre. And woman's hour repeatedly misses main news relevant to women.

it is clear that safeguarding has only really tightened a little in the last few years, despite Savile, and there's a long way to go.

It's worth listening to the woman's hour episode and that day's world at one nearly a year ago when the brand stuff broke. It was Emmas first day back from maternity . She interviewed the young woman whod been abused by brand. They did describe the changes to safeguarding at the corporation as a result, iirc NDAs are all invalid.

It's clearly not enough and I agree there should be more scrutiny.

WarriorN · 25/08/2024 07:34

The other side of the coin is that some have abandoned the bbc or don't listen to on air stuff at all, picking and choosing podcasts, due to other reasons.

A liberal lefty friend doesn't see the point of woman's hour anymore and prefers listening to the guilty feminist, which, as far as I can tell, doesn't touch the issue of what a woman is with a barge pole and is all twaw. As community nurse, imo, she needs to understand the issues.

I'm listening to more podcasts but I'm very aware they've commercial interests at heart and are swayed by their listeners.

The twaw crowd are still the most vocal right now across the country.

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