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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Signalbox · 10/08/2024 09:29

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 10/08/2024 09:16

Malice or ill will. Like this? Or maybe not as this seems to have moved straight into censorship, with Dawkins guessing as to why:

"My entire @facebook account has been deleted, seemingly (no reason given) because I tweeted that genetically male boxers such as Imane Khalif (XY undisputed) should not fight women in Olympics. Of course my opinion is open to civilised argument. But outright censorship?"

"To clarify. I made the statement on @X, not on Facebook. Yet is it my @Facebook account which is deleted."

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822166372819853352?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822171008016457788?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Bloody hell. This is seriously unhinged. On the plus side at least they are targeting high profile men now. The more men who are affected the better imo. Not just women’s problem anymore.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2024 09:52

https://www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/5yagp2ye/hate-crime-national-guidance.doc

The Police Scotland national guidance went into the definitions of hate and 'malice and ill will' a wee bit:

'Malice and ill-will

Understanding malice and ill-will is important to understanding the extent of the hate. The term hate implies a high degree of animosity, whereas the definition and the legislation require that the crime must be demonstrated or motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will.

(In the absence of a precise legal definition of malice and ill-will, consideration should be given to the ordinary dictionary definition, to wish someone harm).

Perception

For recording purposes, the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident or in recognising the malice element of a crime. The perception of the victim should always be explored, however they do not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief and police officers or staff members should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of malice and ill-will is not required for a hate crime or hate incident to be recorded and thereafter investigated as a hate crime or hate incident by police.'

https://www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/5yagp2ye/hate-crime-national-guidance.doc

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2024 09:52

So the police guidance notes that there is no precise legal definition.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2024 09:54

Plus of course the most chilling sentence:

'Evidence of malice and ill-will is not required for a hate crime or hate incident to be recorded and thereafter investigated as a hate crime or hate incident by police'

It's highly unlikely that anyone would ever be mistakenly prosecuted under this law. But it remains a very useful one under which anyone can be investigated and threatened.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/08/2024 10:42

They're going to give themselves the tools they need to target anyone they want to shut up. We'll end up with more people in prison than outside. 🤯

DuesToTheDirt · 10/08/2024 10:54

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 10/08/2024 09:16

Malice or ill will. Like this? Or maybe not as this seems to have moved straight into censorship, with Dawkins guessing as to why:

"My entire @facebook account has been deleted, seemingly (no reason given) because I tweeted that genetically male boxers such as Imane Khalif (XY undisputed) should not fight women in Olympics. Of course my opinion is open to civilised argument. But outright censorship?"

"To clarify. I made the statement on @X, not on Facebook. Yet is it my @Facebook account which is deleted."

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822166372819853352?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/richarddawkins/status/1822171008016457788?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Wow. FB won't remove reported scams, abusive posts, stalking posts... yet they delete Dawkins' account?!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2024 10:57

That's crazy.

Thelnebriati · 10/08/2024 11:10

I don't think that Facebook is operating within UK law.

Signalbox · 10/08/2024 11:40

Thelnebriati · 10/08/2024 11:10

I don't think that Facebook is operating within UK law.

But they soon will be if Labour bring in "lawful but harmful" legislation.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 10/08/2024 12:31

What happens if you are merely the reader of online WrongThink? Hopefully this isn't the Playbook, whereby observers of disorder are criminalised:

https://x.com/foxclaire/status/1822023683919290769?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Thelnebriati · 10/08/2024 12:50

''You will be refused bail even if you only watched riots from the sidelines, judge warns''
https://archive.ph/0EZTB

Snowypeaks · 10/08/2024 12:56

Thelnebriati · 10/08/2024 12:50

''You will be refused bail even if you only watched riots from the sidelines, judge warns''
https://archive.ph/0EZTB

Will that judgement stand, do you think?

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/08/2024 13:04

It's common here. I first became aware of it during the Drumcree riots. If you end up in the dock for anything riot related, you will be remanded.

meatandgreetretreat · 10/08/2024 19:06

@misscockerspaniel thank you for sharing that article. This quote from it gave me a wtf moment

'My being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity or my femininity in any way. It's sort of an embrace of that.
'I still want to play women, my experience on this earth has been a female one - and now it's sort of a very fluid one.'

??

lcakethereforeIam · 10/08/2024 19:08

I think 'fluid' is fast becoming the new 'moist'.

OP posts:
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/08/2024 06:53

'My being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity or my femininity in any way. It's sort of an embrace of that.
'I still want to play women, my experience on this earth has been a female one - and now it's sort of a very fluid one.'

A good example of want total tosh this batshittery is. 🤯

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