Womens Olympic boxing in the future

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I've been mulling over this and I'm hoping I'm wrong.

From what i can see, the Olympic committees have banned the IBA from regulating Olympics boxing, permanently.

Earlier, the IOC abdicated responsibility for ensuring eligibility to the sporting associations. But they've banned this particular one. So now nobody oversees eligibility in boxing.

The IOC accept paperwork without question in boxing. It says M or F on the passport = good enough for the Olympycs, with regards boxing (where they've banned the safeguarding via the sport association).

Qualifying for the Olympics is, I believe, a matter of being selected by your country. No heats, no eliminations prior.

The IBA still oversees other international events. The 2 individuals concerned are banned, permanently as far as I know, from competing in the female category in the IBA events. But the Olympics allow them to compete.

Banned from international competition except for the Olympics.

I assume the IBA will continue to test future athletes to ensure eligibility. Banning those who fail the tests from IBA supervised events such as the world champs

So we've got a possible scenario where, at some future Olympic games, ALL women's boxing competitors may be banned by the IBA from the women's competition because of chromosomal irregularities. Never boxed internationally. Never competed against each other. Never been heard of before.

It's a bit doomsdayish I know, but it's possible under the current system, isn't it?

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I've seen people lament "Why boxing of all sports?" but if you can get men competing in women's boxing accepted, then you can get it to happen in anything. Hell I wonder if "Lia" Thomas is considering suing. (Yes I know swimming has different rules, still.)

And boxing's reputation for sketchiness provides smoke and mirrors.

FFS.

After 3 males with DSDs that meant they went through male puberty won first, second and third in the female 800m in Rio, 2016, it took World Athletes years to convince the IOC to make changes. And even then, the IOC would only initially accept changes to a couple of events, 800 m being one.

Then finally in 2021 after the Tokyo Olympics, and the Hubbard issue, the IOC devolved the responsibility to the World Sporting Federations. Then WA made changes to exclude any male person who had gone through male puberty.

Hence, there are no more males with DSDs in Athletics.

UIC and FINA and WR have made similar policies.

To add: The reason that this competition falls under the IOC 'general' regulations that are not specific to boxing, is because they excluded the IBA, the world's federation for boxing on other issues, and created a loophole for these events.

It looks to be the only group of events that are directly now under IOC control and they have no policy to protect female athletes. They have prioritised 'inclusion' above 'fairness' as per Dr Budgett's statements in 2021.

@annejumps
Hell I wonder if "Lia" Thomas is considering suing. (Yes I know swimming has different rules, still.)

He did sue and it got kicked out.

In cycling it took the Elite women to say that they wouldn't race for the change to stick.

As for other sports many have had to back down as they don't have to money to fight in court.

The IOC just passed the buck. They were allowing xy individuals with a trans identity or a dsd as long as the testosterone level was below 10 I think however there were a lot of complaints in both directions, some saying should be banned completely and some saying forcing people (men) to reduce testosterone was unethical so the IOC passed it to individual sports bodies with the provisio that inclusivity was the default unless they could prove it was proportionate to put rules in place which would effectively ban these people.

Obviously for boxing there is no current recognised body so its IOC rules which is close eyes, put fingers in ears and sing can't hear you lalala very loudly.

Right. I mean again, post this situation. Depending on how it plays out

The IOC will hide behind 'you can't change the rules mid competition' to justify not carrying out any tests. Their rules say you are eligible if your passport says F so they can't then say but you must also be genetically female.

Then WA made changes to exclude any male person who had gone through male puberty.

The IOC disapproved of this, also.

Here's what Ross Tucker said about the World Athletics policy change:

"I think it's a significant moment in the history of this issue," he wrote, adding: “I'm fully supportive of this decision - it is absolutely the right choice to make, and they've explicitly said that the overarching principle is sporting fairness for women, which is 100 per cent correct.
"Once you recognise that, then you need evidence that you can achieve fairness with inclusion for trans women, and that evidence does not exist. In fact, the opposite does - all the studies suggest that male advantage persists well after testosterone is gone.
"So the correct action has been taken based on the biological reality and evidence.
“The IOC, meanwhile, are still selling the myth that you can balance TW inclusion with fairness/safety to women.
“They haven't yet recognised that inclusion means exclusion, that categories only work when they exclude people who should not be eligible, and they have propagated some amazingly bad science in support of that myth.
“I must confess that I'm surprised World Athletics went this way, though. At the start of the year, their preferred options was a reduction in testosterone below 2.5 nmol/L for 24 months. But that was widely rejected during consultation, particularly by women athletes who made their voice heard as part of that consultation.
“Plus, being the biggest of the Olympic family members, I imagine there would have been significant pressure to comply with the IOC's anti-biological policy.
“I've no doubt that it's the voice of those women that has swayed them. For all the science, it's women saying, 'No, we insist on integrity and our right to sporting fairness' that tilts the balance by making sport aware that this stakeholder group actually exist.
"So the brave athletes who risk vitriol and threats must take the credit. The IOC differ because they have actively sought to ignore and even silence the voice of women, choosing instead to hear what they wish to in support of biological denialism.""

www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1135208/world-athletics-trans-athletes-ioc

I hope we're going to see a crisis in women's sports, everything from boxing to darts, where XX women simply decline to play against XY-chromosome individuals, preferably right at the beginning of competition for the maximum effect. It'll leave a few transgender people playing against each other, while the bulk of the potential competitors sit in the audience and never applaud. It just won't be a sustainable situation, and the governing bodies will be forced to respond in a way that brings the XX women back to the arena. And there's only one way that'll happen.

The results of the test were sent to the IOC, but were ignored because they didn't align with their policy of 'inclusion'.The test results were even signed off by the athletes themselves, and neither ended up challenging them.

We can all see that both of these athletes went through male puberty.

Jk Rowling needs to get Ida Webb on the case. I've constantly got her line going through my head "This can't be allowed to stand. The vote must be taken again."

Given one of womans finals is likely to be 2 questionable female's, unless the IOC make changes what woman would want to even enter the competition next time round?

Why are the major sponsors not stepping into the argument?
Are they actually bothered?

I'm sure money is at the bottom of the reasons why the IOC dropped the chromosome test in the first place, it has to be, there is not other logical reason.

But who's paying, what to whom?

They wouldn't be in the same final they are in different weight categories.

@Runningupthecurtains Fair comment. For some reason I thought they were same weight category.

But my point still stands the IOC need to grow some balls and protect all women's sport.
What the point of even doing drugs tests if cheats can, cheat in plain sight?

Yeah they will potentially take two golds and can't possibly fight each other because hmmm that would be unsafe. The IOC bother to check people are in the right weight group but don't check they are in the right sex.