Fall out of CASS report

[Sparklybutold]

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

OP.
It's been like living in a dystopia as transactivism has been allowed to run unchecked through our institutions, schools etc trashing the social contract and harming so many children, women and men.
Hope that you know you're not alone .

[RethinkingLife]

OP, the personal toll has been huge. So many of us have had difficulties with friends and family or lost them over this topic.

So many walk on eggshells in their workplace.

I wrote the following on the parliamentary debate on Cass thread. (You'll find other posters there talking about the impact on their mental health of all this on the most recent page.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050831-debate-happening-in-house-of-commons-victoria-atkins-on-fire?

Cass is limited to one area with a narrow frame of reference and terms of reference.

For the rest…

Glinner has frequently said he thought, "This (prisons, women losing jobs etc.) will be the issue that wakes everyone up," and yet, every time, he was disappointed.

There have been so many times since the mid 2010s when posters have declared, "The tide/tanker is turning," only it hasn't.

This has been long in the planning. It will take a long time to recapture what women and children have lost, never mind convert our rights into things that are inalienable rather than a social nicety that can be withdrawn from us at someone's whim. (Where "someone" includes those that approach the status of vexatious litigants because they have been able to use the police as concierge service that enacts their airing of grudges and grievances.)

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

What matters is what happens in health and social care, in education, in the criminal and offender management systems, in the Civil Service, in NGOs and the third sector. What will the staff do there? What happens with media reporting? What will happen to domestic abuse refuges? What is the legacy of the arts centres and theatres that decided women can't have single-sex facilities?

What will happen to employers' workplace policies? To all those advisory groups for PCCs and boards that declare, in public, that GC beliefs are 'terrorism'?

This is a relative skirmish in what will be a decades long engagement.

[DrJump]

Yes. I was bullied out of a job. It's slightly more nuanced then that of course but god I want to be able to say how do you sleep at night? That you went along with this as a kindness..

[IncompleteSenten]

It's far from over. Don't fool yourself. There is going to be a very strong push back from people who don't want to face the fact that a lot of harm has been done and it's being talked about and people are no longer accepting being silenced.

Celebrities and other high profile figures who did the whole TWAW no discussion or dissenting opinions allowed are going to try to quietly uturn and gaslight.

Celebrities who who burned bridges are going to need expensive pr input.

politicians are going to say they were lied to/misinformed / have reconsidered due to information they were not given at first and they'll find someone to blame.

men who have cynically abused the situation for their personal gratification are going to be furious. They are the biggest ongoing threat to women. Their motivation is the most disturbing and sinister and their misogyny and they believe women should do whatever we are told to do and prioritise men's feelings at all times and give them whatever they want regardless how it affects others.

parents who subjected their children to irreversible procedures or medications with life altering consequences are going to be hit hard and may need some support. Some may fight hard because they don't want to accept they may have caused their children lifelong harm regardless their intentions. They may be very angry with medical professional who they feel convinced them that they needed to do this to their child and seek to place 100% of the responsibility on to them.

bandwagon jumpers will just happily jump to the next bandwagon and carry on marching and screaming and no platforming and threatening and insulting in the name of equality and caring.

teens will move on to the next cool fad and being trans/NB will become 'lame'. Those who were doing the whole 'trendy' nb shit will quietly just stop doing it because it will no longer get good attention.

Children who were wrongly transitioned surgically or medically may well grow up and seek out legal help and sue the NHS, or government etc

When this fucking insanity is talked about in the future, the narrative will be that women were to blame and men stepped in and saved the day.

People with actual gender dysphoria will heave a collective sigh of relief and thank god they can just get the fuck on with their lives.

[nauticant]

I agree with IncompleteSenten. People should think carefully about what to do next, some of the activist-minded will feel backed into a corner and I don't think this unwanted turn of events for them will make them more moderate in their behaviour.

[greyandbluewool]

I'd just like to add this to the discussion, even though we know this already.
The way this has permeated everyday life, particularly in English speaking countries is somewhat akin to a virus, and it's so very noticeable to me due to living abroad.
Nobody talks about it here. It's not a thing in schools, I work in many, and certainly not ever mentioned in the workplace or among friends.

The way I see it is this. The English speaking world has been, at least up till now, though it's definitely changing, a driving force in youth culture and change. I suppose that when you are the leaders in a certain area you will go through a period of adjustment, where things often go too far in one direction, before ultimately settling down at a more moderate position.
The smaller places that are more traditional and are more likely to hold on to past ideas, slowly settle into new ways, but don't go through that intense period of change in the same way as those who lead certain ideas.

I hope that in the UK we can manage to dial things back considerably, and return to the sfere of reason rather than living in an alternate make believe reality. I do think that we should however question why this has taken such a hold here, and so quickly, and whether these ideas are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem within our society, in the same way we would question why a certain biological disease spreads so rapidly in one particular area.

[WarriorN]

I don't blame you OP, I think this is a very natural reaction that many are feeling right now.

Several people I follow are expressing similar feelings of anger, sadness, frustration alongside vindication.

I saw Rachel Rooney posted a a message on Twitter asking for the feelings to be taken away.

I'm actually wondering if some might benefit from some counselling (though I appreciate that could be tricky) as the experience those who've been treated in this way have had is basically abusive. Gaslighting, silencing and dismissing very valid concerns.

People who've been abused like this certainly go through phases of anger when vindication comes; I've experienced it myself.

I don't know if it would help or not, but pushing for a statutory inquiry could provide more leverage to be able to outright communicate the damage these people have done to individuals.

And it's not over by any means. The educational system has not been investigated yet. The rot that starts in university education depts flows to schools and no one seems to be doing anything about it.

[highame]

Are we in danger of hanging too much onto the Cass Report. It is a truly fantastic report but it is about children and their safety. It may well be bringing more sunlight but we still have to fight the adult issues such as women's spaces, sport, business.

I am breathing a sigh of relief but after all these years I know we have a long way to go. The capture of our institutions is mind boggling and although organisations such as Mermaids and Stonewall have taken major reputational damage over the past few years and especially in the light of Cass, they are still captured.

At least we can be grateful that safeguarding will be centre stage for a good few decades, or until the next adult fad comes along!

[Igmum]

 to you @Sparklybutold and the many others who have suffered. But yes, this is not the end of the war, it is a significant battle but it is far from the end of the war. There are many powerful, entrenched voices that do not have a good track record of listening to reason, particularly when spoken by women. Things are better, there is more sunlight, but we have a long haul ahead.

[ArabellaScott]

In response to the scandal breaking, and if one had been supportive of sterilising vulnerable children, one imagines extreme shame, embarrassment, perhaps contrition.

But it's important to consider that many people were invested in TWAW precisely because of their personality traits - many disingenuous, narcissistic, willing to compromise morals in exchange for power - and some perhaps credulous, gullible, sentimental, zealous. Those traits won't change for most people.

A chap who enjoys wearing a balaclava and shouting at women while wearing a T shirt that says 'kill the terf' is not going to have a sudden change of heart;, he'll find another reason to threaten women, because it excites him.

The majority of people haven't got involved and will continue to not get involved, although I suppose many will notice that children being sterilised in service of 'gender' is not okay, and I guess we will see a fair bit of anger.

It'll be interesting to see the social change, most of all. I suspect a groundswell of public rage is going to come before the politicians and media people involved are able to safely get over that golden bridge.

My own view is that Cass is the golden bridge. There will be a period of time when people can say they've reflected and reverse ferret to preserve a modicum of plausible deniability, but anyone doubling down on genderism from this point forward is going to find themselves implicated in a horrific and horrifying and continuously unfolding scandal.

[ArabellaScott]

@highame

Are we in danger of hanging too much onto the Cass Report. It is a truly fantastic report but it is about children and their safety. It may well be bringing more sunlight but we still have to fight the adult issues such as women's spaces, sport, business.

I am breathing a sigh of relief but after all these years I know we have a long way to go. The capture of our institutions is mind boggling and although organisations such as Mermaids and Stonewall have taken major reputational damage over the past few years and especially in the light of Cass, they are still captured.

At least we can be grateful that safeguarding will be centre stage for a good few decades, or until the next adult fad comes along!

I see your point, but I think once the scales fall it means one looks at other aspects of genderism in a very different light, on the whole.

The whole ideology rests on the idea of a holy, sacred 'gender identity'. Cass reveals that this is a fiction, a fallacy, a myth.

If children can be wrong about their 'gender identity', which is made very clear I think, then there is no such thing as 'born in the wrong body' and this completely undermines 'gender identity'. Once that goes, what do we have?

You then have to relook at the world as we always had done up until ten years or so ago - as a world populated by men and women, boys and girls, and some of those people are struggling with the expectations and ideas about their bodies.

The thing with genderism is you either swallow whole the idea of 'gender identity' being a solid truth, or the whole edifice collapses.

[WarriorN]

@highame yes we are.

There's still much to be concerned about in what the report actually says.

This is just the beginning. Only a statutory inquiry into the safeguarding issues that places like stonewall, mermaids et al created will truly bring to change the tide.

The arrogance of many, especially in academia, is appalling.

Schools are not yet safe and therefore children are not yet safe.

[WarriorN]

And one of the biggest issues is that the universities have SO MUCH invested in this ideology. It's bringing in so much money.

Those who are researching the area and finding it lacking are still being vilified and criticised.

[highame]

Statutory enquiry gets my vote and I watched the debate yesterday. It came up a few times. We live in hope.

I am trying to be more positive and yes, the effects could be further reaching but we haven't really seen the backlash yet.

[RethinkingLife]

@highame

Statutory enquiry gets my vote and I watched the debate yesterday. It came up a few times. We live in hope.

I am trying to be more positive and yes, the effects could be further reaching but we haven't really seen the backlash yet.

LRM and others will probably be in power before the year is out.

We would be wise to consider our options for what may be a full out drive to remove those with GC beliefs from every workplace, organisation, and public sphere.

See: https://reduxx.info/exclusive-uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-to-eradicate-critics-of-gender-ideology-from-the-profession/

[Ofcourseshecan]

@greyandbluewool

I'd just like to add this to the discussion, even though we know this already.
The way this has permeated everyday life, particularly in English speaking countries is somewhat akin to a virus, and it's so very noticeable to me due to living abroad.
Nobody talks about it here. It's not a thing in schools, I work in many, and certainly not ever mentioned in the workplace or among friends.

The way I see it is this. The English speaking world has been, at least up till now, though it's definitely changing, a driving force in youth culture and change. I suppose that when you are the leaders in a certain area you will go through a period of adjustment, where things often go too far in one direction, before ultimately settling down at a more moderate position.
The smaller places that are more traditional and are more likely to hold on to past ideas, slowly settle into new ways, but don't go through that intense period of change in the same way as those who lead certain ideas.

I hope that in the UK we can manage to dial things back considerably, and return to the sfere of reason rather than living in an alternate make believe reality. I do think that we should however question why this has taken such a hold here, and so quickly, and whether these ideas are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem within our society, in the same way we would question why a certain biological disease spreads so rapidly in one particular area.

An interesting perspective from outside the madhouse.

I agree that we should question why this has taken such a hold here, and so quickly, and whether these ideas are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem within our society.

Plain old misogyny certainly plays a huge part. But surely it can’t be that alone.

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

In non English speaking countries it has also taken a massive hold

Spain & Portugal both have self ID as does Germany and some parts of Italy

I don’t think it’s so much English speaking as “the west” which I know is a lazy term but I’m using it to mean europe, USA, Australia, NZ & Canada

[nauticant]

I'll repeat what I've said before about a parallel with the Post Office scandal. That went on for about two decades until the subpostmasters won their massive victories in the High Court (leading to a settlement), and by the time the legal war was done it was shown that Horizon was filled with flaws and that the Post Office had carried out a massive cover up destroying lives in order maintain their false narrative about Horizon.

We're five years on from that and things are still unresolved although have swung hugely in the subpostmasters' favour.

As others have mentioned, the tainted blood scandal has gone on much longer and still remains unresolved.

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

@ArabellaScott

I see your point, but I think once the scales fall it means one looks at other aspects of genderism in a very different light, on the whole.

The whole ideology rests on the idea of a holy, sacred 'gender identity'. Cass reveals that this is a fiction, a fallacy, a myth.

If children can be wrong about their 'gender identity', which is made very clear I think, then there is no such thing as 'born in the wrong body' and this completely undermines 'gender identity'. Once that goes, what do we have?

You then have to relook at the world as we always had done up until ten years or so ago - as a world populated by men and women, boys and girls, and some of those people are struggling with the expectations and ideas about their bodies.

The thing with genderism is you either swallow whole the idea of 'gender identity' being a solid truth, or the whole edifice collapses.

Yes.

This issue has made me re-examine a lot of my political views.

I've never been tribal about voting for a particular party, but up until now I've usually been solidly centre left. Pro union, pro remain, pro marriage equality, pro human rights... I've never voted Labour but only really because I've never lived anywhere Labour could win.

And now, on trans issues, I find myself diametrically opposed to the same people I have historically agreed with about everything else.

Which makes me think, one of us is wrong and I don't think it's me. Maybe it is me, but I really don't think it is, because it would be so much easier for me to just agree with them like I usually do about other things. But if they can be so wrong about this, what else might they be wrong about? What else might I have been wrong about?

It makes you question everything.

The flip side of that is this. The Cass review will make a lot of people wake up to the fact that the trans activist lobby has got child safeguarding very wrong. And if they can be so wrong about child safeguarding, they can be wrong about women's rights too.

Realising that people you previously trusted to be on the right side of history have got one thing very wrong undermines your confidence in them and makes you call everything else into question too.

[ArabellaScott]

Realising that people you previously trusted to be on the right side of history have got one thing very wrong undermines your confidence in them and makes you call everything else into question too.

Completely.

To find that people in positions of power and responsibility would willingly sterilise children in the service of a blatant and obvious lie has collapsed my worldview.

In some ways it's very good. I've become much more of a critical thinker. In other ways it's very hard - to lose all that trust.

[Emotionalsupportviper]

@RethinkingLife

OP, the personal toll has been huge. So many of us have had difficulties with friends and family or lost them over this topic.

So many walk on eggshells in their workplace.

I wrote the following on the parliamentary debate on Cass thread. (You'll find other posters there talking about the impact on their mental health of all this on the most recent page.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050831-debate-happening-in-house-of-commons-victoria-atkins-on-fire?

Cass is limited to one area with a narrow frame of reference and terms of reference.

For the rest…

Glinner has frequently said he thought, "This (prisons, women losing jobs etc.) will be the issue that wakes everyone up," and yet, every time, he was disappointed.

There have been so many times since the mid 2010s when posters have declared, "The tide/tanker is turning," only it hasn't.

This has been long in the planning. It will take a long time to recapture what women and children have lost, never mind convert our rights into things that are inalienable rather than a social nicety that can be withdrawn from us at someone's whim. (Where "someone" includes those that approach the status of vexatious litigants because they have been able to use the police as concierge service that enacts their airing of grudges and grievances.)

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

What matters is what happens in health and social care, in education, in the criminal and offender management systems, in the Civil Service, in NGOs and the third sector. What will the staff do there? What happens with media reporting? What will happen to domestic abuse refuges? What is the legacy of the arts centres and theatres that decided women can't have single-sex facilities?

What will happen to employers' workplace policies? To all those advisory groups for PCCs and boards that declare, in public, that GC beliefs are 'terrorism'?

This is a relative skirmish in what will be a decades long engagement.

Edited

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

THIS! ⬆

None of them can be trusted.

How many years have the Tories had, when they could have taken the initiative on this and actually done something to define "woman" in law, protect women's spaces and sports, ensure that sexually perverted men couldn't easily jump onto a bandwagon that was intended to protect genuinely dysphoric individuals, and use that to continue to abuse and oppress women and children? TOO MANY - and they've done NOTHING until now (and even now, they are doing the absolute minimum).

[SinnerBoy]

IncompleteSenten · Today 08:39

It's far from over. Don't fool yourself. There is going to be a very strong push back from people who don't want to face the fact that a lot of harm has been done and it's being talked about and people are no longer accepting being silenced.

I agree, especially in light of several MPs recycling misinformation about the Cass report. On the other hand, I feel that the boil has now burst and all sorts of people, from all walks of life now have the confidence to criticise Genderist Ideology and actions, publicly.

That has to be good, even though there is more slogging on the way. As someone else said, it's the final nail in the coffin of No Debate! It can and will be discussed, by intelligent, rational people and pulled apart by them, in the public arena.

[OhBuggerandArse]

Oh ffs - a UCU women's committee has just passed a motion to condemn the Cass Report. How can they be so wickedly gullible? https://x.com/johnarmstrong5/status/1779462509797257559

[RedToothBrush]

@highame

Are we in danger of hanging too much onto the Cass Report. It is a truly fantastic report but it is about children and their safety. It may well be bringing more sunlight but we still have to fight the adult issues such as women's spaces, sport, business.

I am breathing a sigh of relief but after all these years I know we have a long way to go. The capture of our institutions is mind boggling and although organisations such as Mermaids and Stonewall have taken major reputational damage over the past few years and especially in the light of Cass, they are still captured.

At least we can be grateful that safeguarding will be centre stage for a good few decades, or until the next adult fad comes along!

It's given credibility to 'Terfs'.

This is very important. It means that politicians can't decide and ignore anymore.

It also has liability implications. This is in law and financial terms.

So it's significant.

But it's only a step forward.

[Boiledbeetle]

@Sparklybutold

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

💐🍷

That must have been awful. There will come a time when you can name and shame openly and after the last few days that time is hopefully now considerably closer thanks to Cass AND yesterday's debate in parliament.

I've been lucky I haven't been impacted in this from a work/education perspective but I can imagine how bloody mind blowing it must have been to go through it.

I'd like to see an event in the not to distant future where women just stand and read out the names of individuals and the organisation that backed them up in hounding women and fucking over their lovers and the lives of children because they fell for/took advantage of the gender woo shit. I imagine it would be a very long event though!